On 19 Feb 2014, at 16:45, Peter Tribble wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Andy Stormont
> wrote:
>
> I’d love to see an SVR4 distro that was actually supported by upstream
> illumos but I won’t be the one to make it happen.
>
> Define supported. Tribblix is a pure SVR4 dist
Bayard Bell wrote:
> illumos never made any promises to you,
I am sorry to see that you are uninformed.
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On 19 Feb 2014, at 15:19, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Bayard Bell wrote:
>
>>> From my experiences Illumos is non-collaborative and non-trustworthy.
>>>
>>> This however is something that could be easily changed. Illumos would just
>>> need to give a sign that there is a will for collaboration.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Andy Stormont wrote:
>
>
> I'd love to see an SVR4 distro that was actually supported by upstream
> illumos but I won't be the one to make it happen.
>
Define supported. Tribblix is a pure SVR4 distro from a vanilla
illumos-gate,
really just a handful of scripts to
Andy Stormont wrote:
> > This is what I did in late 2010 and early 2011.
> >
> > Svr4 package meta data is present and maintained on SchilliX-ON.
> > Feel free to take it.
>
> I?d love to see an SVR4 distro that was actually supported by upstream
> illumos but I won?t be the one to make it hap
Bayard Bell wrote:
> > From my experiences Illumos is non-collaborative and non-trustworthy.
> >
> > This however is something that could be easily changed. Illumos would just
> > need to give a sign that there is a will for collaboration.
>
> This is tiresome and unreasonable, Joerg.
I am no
On 19 Feb 2014, at 14:27, Igor Kozhukhov wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> it is thread about OI , but let me provide additional info.
>
> We are talking about illumos, but I think, we have to understand, that
> illumos based on sponsors who are using it for business and depend on it.
>
> Take a look list
On 19 Feb 2014, at 13:30, Joerg Schilling
wrote:
> Andy Stormont wrote:
>
>> The IPS metadeta isn?t really that useful to non-IPS distributions but I?m
>> not sure removing it is a good idea. Instead I?d rather see the SVR4 data
>> reintegrated if it?s going to see some use and somebody ca
Hi All,
it is thread about OI , but let me provide additional info.
We are talking about illumos, but I think, we have to understand, that illumos
based on sponsors who are using it for business and depend on it.
Take a look list of advocates: all advocates from companies who are using
illumos
On 19 Feb 2014, at 12:26, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
>
>>> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:42:53 +0100
>>> From: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de
>>
>>>
>>> Well it would be great if some people at Illumos would not try to dictate
>>> things but signal that there is an inte
Andy Stormont wrote:
> The IPS metadeta isn?t really that useful to non-IPS distributions but I?m
> not sure removing it is a good idea. Instead I?d rather see the SVR4 data
> reintegrated if it?s going to see some use and somebody cares enough to
> maintain it.
This is what I did in late 20
On 19 Feb 2014, at 12:17, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> illumos is not a distribution. It carries packaging metadata in IPS format as
> a convenience for downstream distributions, but downstream distributions are
> not obliged to use IPS. Perhaps in the future illumos will stop shipping
> package
Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:42:53 +0100
> > From: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de
>
> >
> > Well it would be great if some people at Illumos would not try to dictate
> > things but signal that there is an interest for a collaboration.
>
> illumos is collaborative. I
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:42:53 +0100
> From: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de
>
> Well it would be great if some people at Illumos would not try to dictate
> things but signal that there is an interest for a collaboration.
illumos is collaborative. In the past year there has been around 50
Peter Tribble wrote:
> First, you need to stop saying "must" and attempting to
> dictate design and implementation decisions.
Well it would be great if some people at Illumos would not try to dictate
things but signal that there is an interest for a collaboration.
>
> > Well
> >
> > -
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Joerg Schilling <
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
>
> What do we need for collaboration?
>
First, you need to stop saying "must" and attempting to
dictate design and implementation decisions.
> Well
>
> - IPS must not be the only packaging
Jean-Pierre,
1. Set -Bacpi-user-options=0x0 (or 0x2) during Grub boot.
2. Use a known good Wi-fi USB stick or daughtercard for WEP.
3. Use VESA for most display things.
For the most part, most oi-devs should have working hardware with OI (or speak
up, if not).
~ Ken Mays
On Thursday, Februa
On 02/12/14 11:42 PM, Jean-Pierre André wrote:
Hi,
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
On 02/12/14 12:41 PM, Peter Tribble wrote:
(Ideally, you want other communities to build and distribute software
for you. That's one area where IPS is a huge obstacle - all this
repository stuff is an intolerable burden
Le 2014/02/13 16:00 +0100, Alan Coopersmith a écrit:
Nearly all package systems have repositories, what makes IPS more
intolerable than the rest?
I wrote a list, but then thought again, there's no point arguing that
anymore. If people using it are happy with it, good for them,
(Or had you
~ Ken Mays
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
1. Submit hardware issues here (dev only) so we know or file a feature/bug
request.
2. Ask oi-userland team for IPS integration of your software. FUSE was in sfe
repository.
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Peter Tribble wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Alasdair Lumsden
> wrote:
>
> >
> > TribbliX was a for fun desktop-oriented distro (correct me if I'm wrong)
> > by someone that hates IPS and loves SVR4 packaging. I got the impression
> > Peter never seemed to want to help OI out directl
Hi,
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
On 02/12/14 12:41 PM, Peter Tribble wrote:
(Ideally, you want other communities to build and distribute software
for you. That's one area where IPS is a huge obstacle - all this
repository stuff is an intolerable burden on third parties,
Nearly all package systems
I think the general idea is to get to a minimum criteria as basis for wider
collaboration. We have to start small and manageable and agreeable. Then
others will follow if they see the benefits of that working together for a
healthier code and healthier community guidelines, then there will be lowe
Vincent,
The manufacturers provide the drivers and chose whether to support their newer
products on S11 or illumos-based OSes.
You can use /hipster for modern server installs:
http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-text-20140124.iso
oi_151a8:
http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/151a8/o
On 02/12/14 12:41 PM, Peter Tribble wrote:
(Ideally, you want other communities to build and distribute software
for you. That's one area where IPS is a huge obstacle - all this
repository stuff is an intolerable burden on third parties,
Nearly all package systems have repositories, what makes
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
>
> TribbliX was a for fun desktop-oriented distro (correct me if I'm wrong)
> by someone that hates IPS and loves SVR4 packaging. I got the impression
> Peter never seemed to want to help OI out directly because of the IPS issue.
>
That's
From: Milan Jurik
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Hi,
On st, 2014-02-12 at 19:48 +0100, Vincent Torri wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:4
Hi,
On st, 2014-02-12 at 19:48 +0100, Vincent Torri wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Milan Jurik wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On st, 2014-02-12 at 19:38 +0100, Vincent Torri wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK)
> >> wrote:
> >> > On 12/02/2014 14:25, Andri L. Vicko
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Milan Jurik wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On st, 2014-02-12 at 19:38 +0100, Vincent Torri wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK)
>> wrote:
>> > On 12/02/2014 14:25, Andri L. Vicko wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I Hope on Next OpenIndiana oi_151a9 wi
Hi,
On st, 2014-02-12 at 19:38 +0100, Vincent Torri wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK)
> wrote:
> > On 12/02/2014 14:25, Andri L. Vicko wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I Hope on Next OpenIndiana oi_151a9 will be support Emulex 16 Gbps and
> >> Qlogic 16 Gbps for comstar
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK)
wrote:
> On 12/02/2014 14:25, Andri L. Vicko wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I Hope on Next OpenIndiana oi_151a9 will be support Emulex 16 Gbps and
>> Qlogic 16 Gbps for comstar target.
>>
> ?? A9 is already released.
really ?
http://openindiana.org/
On 12/02/2014 14:25, Andri L. Vicko wrote:
Hi,
I Hope on Next OpenIndiana oi_151a9 will be support Emulex 16 Gbps and
Qlogic 16 Gbps for comstar target.
?? A9 is already released.
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
There is no community. Only self centered individuals who think their way is
best. Fragmentation was inevitable. I stated very
clearly that I thought fragmentation would kill illumos. I still feel that
today - fragmentation is killing illumos. Inste
Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> Hi Seth,
>
> When I started OpenIndiana, I wanted to avoid the "Linux Distribution
> Fragmentation" issue, so I created a community distro and tried to solicit
> input from everyone and try to keep everyone happy.
>
> I failed miserably. Nobody wants to collaborate, ever
Jonathan Adams wrote:
> *Joerg Schilling* wrote:
>
> "I am not sure whether you are aware about the fact that OpenSoaris has few
> contributors and that Illumos is trying to frighten developers by not being
> a sure partner you may trust"
Wow, a reply after more than 5 months
> Please take
Hi,
I Hope on Next OpenIndiana oi_151a9 will be support Emulex 16 Gbps and
Qlogic 16 Gbps for comstar target.
Currently if we used 16 Gbps, comstar speed still 8 Gbps.
Thanks,
Andri L. Vicko
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*Joerg Schilling* wrote:
"I am not sure whether you are aware about the fact that OpenSoaris has few
contributors and that Illumos is trying to frighten developers by not being
a sure partner you may trust"
Please take that with a pinch of salt. Joerg is an experienced and prolific
programmer, wh
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, seth Nimbosa wrote:
> Basically, we need to take one step back so we can move forward.
>
> the OpenSolaris community as it is has always been small from the start
> after Sun was swallowed by Oracle and all official development ceased
>
> we had to start over with
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Well played Garrett. On a more positive note I wish to thank everyone who has contributed directly or indirectly to OI and I'm sure there are many others like me who are adamant users but generally voiceless.Regards
On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:11 AM, Joerg Schilling
wrote:
>
> I am not sure whether you are aware about the fact that OpenSoaris has few
> contributors and that Illumos is trying to frighten developers by not being a
> sure partner you may trust.
Aargh. I hate responding to Joerg posts, and I kn
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Ray Arachelian wrote:
> > Since oi_151a9 was scheduled for release this month, some initial
Could someone explain why you udr 151a9?
- It is not based on onnv_151
-
On 09/02/2013 09:00 PM, Andrew M. Hettinger wrote:
>
> USB-3 is most likely going to have to come from Illumos-ON.
>
Sadly so, but this is my biggest need for OI so far. I don't care that
much about video drivers, though I'm sure plenty do.
>
> Does SATA 6G not work properly? Personally, all my
Ray Arachelian wrote:
> > Since oi_151a9 was scheduled for release this month, some initial
Could someone explain why you udr 151a9?
- It is not based on onnv_151
- It is most likely not the 151th release for OI
- It is based like others on onnv_147+
> > thoughts:
> >
> >
USB-3 is most likely going to have to come from Illumos-ON.
Does SATA 6G not work properly? Personally, all my gear is SAS (and I can
attest, that SAS 6G does work just fine)
Andrew Hettinger
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On 09/01/2013 10:00 AM, ken mays wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Since oi_151a9 was scheduled for release this month, some initial
> thoughts:
>
> 1. bump illumos to b02c4a353739
> 2. bump oi-jds to ee8cf112eec2 (hg.opensolaris.cz/oi-jds)
> 3. Nvidia 304.108 video driver
> 4. Xnv_161 integration (Alasdair
On 2 September 2013 19:42, Milan Jurik wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On ne, 2013-09-01 at 15:38 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, ken mays wrote:
>> >
>> > Add more...or less...
>>
>> Was ksh93 ever updated to fix known bugs (e.g. 'rm -f' with no
>> argument produes error) which were fixed i
Hi,
On ne, 2013-09-01 at 15:38 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, ken mays wrote:
> >
> > Add more...or less...
>
> Was ksh93 ever updated to fix known bugs (e.g. 'rm -f' with no
> argument produes error) which were fixed in upstream?
>
find some "mad" man to do that at first
Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, ken mays wrote:
> >
> > Add more...or less...
>
> Was ksh93 ever updated to fix known bugs (e.g. 'rm -f' with no
> argument produes error) which were fixed in upstream?
If it is possible to just fix bugs and to avoid to extend the number of
builtin
On 1 September 2013 22:38, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, ken mays wrote:
>>
>>
>> Add more...or less...
>
>
> Was ksh93 ever updated to fix known bugs
For Oracle Solaris yes. The same patch cluster was submitted to
illumos-dev but never made it into their sources.
> (e.g. 'rm -f'
On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, ken mays wrote:
Add more...or less...
Was ksh93 ever updated to fix known bugs (e.g. 'rm -f' with no
argument produes error) which were fixed in upstream?
Bob
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Hello,
The mentioned change is the latest including your changeset as well as the
'ncsd' spurious condition for Illumos. Whatever it translates to in git or
elsewhere.
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What is this b02c4a353739 illumos version? Is there a typo?
I would go with at least:
commit 5253393b09789ec67bec153b866d7285a1cf1645
Author: Matthew Ahrens
Date: Fri Aug 30 01:19:35 2013 -0800
4082 zfs receive gets EFBIG from dmu_tx_hold_free()
Reviewed by: Eric Schrock
Reviewed
Hi,
ken mays wrote:
Hello,
Since oi_151a9 was scheduled for release this month, some initial thoughts:
1. bump illumos to b02c4a353739
2. bump oi-jds to ee8cf112eec2 (hg.opensolaris.cz/oi-jds)
3. Nvidia 304.108 video driver
4. Xnv_161 integration (Alasdair ?)
Add more...or less...
Is there
Hello,
Since oi_151a9 was scheduled for release this month, some initial thoughts:
1. bump illumos to b02c4a353739
2. bump oi-jds to ee8cf112eec2 (hg.opensolaris.cz/oi-jds)
3. Nvidia 304.108 video driver
4. Xnv_161 integration (Alasdair ?)
Add more...or less...
~ Ken Mays_
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