Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-13 Thread Nikola M.
On 10/12/13 10:36 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote: On 12/10/13 07:06 PM, Nikola M. wrote: I also don't want *anytime* to be left with an update of Hipster that just break all everyday apps. (Plus all old apps binary compatibility) It must be considered with the rest of the apps and people that are

Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-13 Thread Dave Koelmeyer
On 13/10/13 07:33 PM, Nikola M. wrote: This is my intention to discuss obvious problems that Openindiana have with release management and quality control and I see no justification to ignore user requests for clear open testing process that is suppose to produce quality and improvements, not

Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-13 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Dave Koelmeyer wrote: state of OI in the recent past, pre-Hipster. With respect, the fact that you're getting upset about Flash player (!!) breaking - a near dead technology on a platform with a miniscule installed base - indicates to me The near dead technology is in

Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-12 Thread Nikola M.
On 10/11/13 11:38 AM, Laurent Blume wrote: On 11/10/13 09:39, Nikola M. wrote: Does this means that Sun Studio / Oracle studio will not be able to run on Openindiana after this change? So it is intentional breaking compatibiliy with Studio or including all software compiled with Studio? Are

Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-12 Thread Sriram Narayanan
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Dave Koelmeyer dave.koelme...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz wrote: On 12/10/13 07:06 PM, Nikola M. wrote: I also don't want *anytime* to be left with an update of Hipster that just break all everyday apps. (Plus all old apps binary compatibility) It must be considered

Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-11 Thread Laurent Blume
On 11/10/13 09:39, Nikola M. wrote: Does this means that Sun Studio / Oracle studio will not be able to run on Openindiana after this change? So it is intentional breaking compatibiliy with Studio or including all software compiled with Studio? Are you willing to have distribution that does not

Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Laurent Blume laurent...@elanor.org wrote: Studio itself has now introduced a G++ ABI compatibility switch. So having G++-built libs in /usr/lib should not be the issue it once was. http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E24457_01/html/E21991/bkana.html#bkanr The problem is that this doea not help you

Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Laurent Blume laurent...@elanor.org wrote: Finally, since Oracle seems to be planning to add the G++ ABI into Studio 12.4 sparc, it appears to be on the verge of becoming the de-facto standard. Reality check: having a vastly multiplatform standard is *good*, even if it was Not Invented

Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-11 Thread Laurent Blume
On 11/10/13 14:02, Joerg Schilling wrote: I am not trying to discuss where it came from but whether it will be stable in the future. The last incompatible change was *11 years ago*, and it was a bug fix, it was not just because they like to break things.

Re: [oi-dev] [OpenIndiana-discuss] Studio future in OI (Re: )

2013-10-11 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 10/11/13 06:15 AM, Laurent Blume wrote: Too bad that Sun was not there - but as it happens, some actually good standards were Not Invented By Sun and yet are useful. There are mentions of Sun though on the ABI committee page, so it wasn't completely out of the picture: