Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-09-08 Por tema Adam Holt 
On Sep 8, 2017 7:43 AM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:

2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt :

> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
> possible:
> ...
>
> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for GSoC
> visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as happened
> around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>
>
Adam,

Am puzzled.

If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
 was
not to approve the travel,


You are confusing apples and oranges.

Apples: The board did not approve a large $627.05 loan/advance to Samson
for travel within Nigeria to attempt to get a US visa.  This large personal
loan/advance was denied in no small part because it could disappear, if for
example the US denies a visa to Samson, similar to what happened in June
with his failed attempt to get a French visa for a Scratch conference.

Oranges: Nobody (or nobody in their right mind anyway) is suggesting Samson
should not travel internationally to attend the GSoC mentor summit in the
San Francisco Bay Area Oct 13-15, 2017 as soon as the US visa is hopefully
sorted out soon.  Hopefully Samson can give us an update in the coming week.

why are you making related requests to the Conservancy?


So that his US visa is less likely to be denied, as happened around
mid-June with the French Embassy.  Thankfully the SFConservancy has
assisted Samson here (AFAIK, Samson can hopefully clarify).

How about Sugar Labs use its talents to move forward instead of continually
relitigating the past?

Can we take a pause to consider that for 2018?
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Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-09-08 Por tema Laura Vargas 
2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt :

> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
> possible:
> ...
> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for GSoC
> visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as happened
> around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>
>
Adam,

Am puzzled.

If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
 was
not to approve the travel, why are you making related requests to the
Conservancy?

This looks quite apposite to the board's decision.

Regards,

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Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-08-14 Por tema James Cameron 
The policy does not apply when the funding comes from an organisation
external to SFC.

Thanks to OLPC-SF and Hilary!

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:00:54PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> Hi Hilary,
> 
> Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy, and so
> travel funding is subject to the [1]Software Freedom Conservancy Travel and
> Reimbursable Expense Policy.
> 
> You can access the policy also via Sugar Labs Wiki Finance page at:
> 
> [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
> 
> Regards and blessings,
> 
> Laura V
> 
> 2017-08-13 17:43 GMT-05:00 Hilary Naylor <[3][email protected]>:
> 
> dear all,
>    Samson is now sponsored for the up-front expenses of his trip to GSoC 
> in
> the amount of $700. His actual expenses are closer to $900 if anyone wants
> to co-sponsor. I understand that SFC is going to reimburse me around $630
> because that is the amount they allocated for local travel expenses.
> 
> kind regards,
> Hilary
> ---
> Hilary Naylor
> OLPC-SF 
> 
> ---fwd---
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:10:50 -0400
> From: Adam Holt <[4][email protected]>
> To: Lionel Laske <[5][email protected]>
> Cc: iaep <[6][email protected]>,  Sugar-dev Devel
>         <[7][email protected]>,  "OLPC para usuarios,
> docentes,
>         voluntarios y administradores" <[8][email protected]>,
> SLOBs
>         <[9][email protected]>, Tabitha Roder <[10]
> [email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed
> 
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
> 
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
> precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
> 
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
> matters.
> 
> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
> in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
> 
> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life 
> in
> Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
> things in his life.*
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> [11]www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
> 
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> ~ Laura Victoria
> 
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
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> 
> References:
> 
> [1] 
> https://gitorious.org/conservancy/policies?p=conservancy:policies.git;a=blob_plain;f=Travel/conservancy-travel-policy.txt;hb=HEAD
> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
> [3] mailto:[email protected]
> [4] mailto:[email protected]
> [5] mailto:[email protected]
> [6] mailto:[email protected]
> [7] mailto:[email protected]
> [8] mailto:[email protected]
> [9] mailto:[email protected]
> [10] mailto:[email protected]
> [11] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [12] mailto:[email protected]
> [13] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs

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Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-08-14 Por tema Hilary Naylor 
dear all,
   Samson is now sponsored for the up-front expenses of his trip to GSoC in
the amount of $700. His actual expenses are closer to $900 if anyone wants
to co-sponsor. I understand that SFC is going to reimburse me around $630
because that is the amount they allocated for local travel expenses.

kind regards,
Hilary
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OLPC-SF

---fwd---
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:10:50 -0400
From: Adam Holt 
To: Lionel Laske 
Cc: iaep ,  Sugar-dev Devel
,  "OLPC para usuarios, docentes,
voluntarios y administradores" , SLOBs
, Tabitha Roder 
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*
---
Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
www.a2zed.us
Oakland CA
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Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-08-14 Por tema Caryl Bigenho 
+1 for James C.  The voice of reason speaks! Thank you!



From: IAEP  on behalf of James Cameron 

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:57:40 PM
To: Laura Vargas
Cc: iaep; [email protected]; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, , 
voluntarios y administradores; Hilary Naylor; SLOBs
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

The policy does not apply when the funding comes from an organisation
external to SFC.

Thanks to OLPC-SF and Hilary!

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:00:54PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> Hi Hilary,
>
> Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy, and so
> travel funding is subject to the [1]Software Freedom Conservancy Travel and
> Reimbursable Expense Policy.
>
> You can access the policy also via Sugar Labs Wiki Finance page at:
>
> [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
>
> Regards and blessings,
>
> Laura V
>
> 2017-08-13 17:43 GMT-05:00 Hilary Naylor <[3][email protected]>:
>
> dear all,
>Samson is now sponsored for the up-front expenses of his trip to GSoC 
> in
> the amount of $700. His actual expenses are closer to $900 if anyone wants
> to co-sponsor. I understand that SFC is going to reimburse me around $630
> because that is the amount they allocated for local travel expenses.
>
> kind regards,
> Hilary
> ---
> Hilary Naylor
> OLPC-SF
>
> ---fwd---
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:10:50 -0400
> From: Adam Holt <[4][email protected]>
> To: Lionel Laske <[5][email protected]>
> Cc: iaep <[6][email protected]>,  Sugar-dev Devel
> <[7][email protected]>,  "OLPC para usuarios,
> docentes,
> voluntarios y administradores" <[8][email protected]>,
> SLOBs
> <[9][email protected]>, Tabitha Roder <[10]
> [email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed
>
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
> precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
> matters.
>
> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
> in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>
> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life 
> in
> Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
> things in his life.*
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> [11]www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
>
> ___
> SLOBs mailing list
> [12][email protected]
> [13]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ Laura Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>
> References:
>
> [1] 
> https://gitorious.org/conservancy/policies?p=conservancy:policies.git;a=blob_plain;f=Travel/conservancy-travel-policy.txt;hb=HEAD
> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
> [3] mailto:[email protected]
> [4] mailto:[email protected]
> [5] mailto:[email protected]
> [6] mailto:[email protected]
> [7] mailto:[email protected]
> [8] mailto:[email protected]
> [9] mailto:[email protected]
> [10] mailto:[email protected]
> [11] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [12] mailto:[email protected]
> [13] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs

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Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-08-13 Por tema Samson Goddy 
I am want to say that i am *very very* disappointed of what this community
is turning into. I am certainly confuse of how some decisions are been made
for reasons that are not just worth it.

I remember asking for $2K+ as to support i and Ibiam's travel to the
scratch conference that would *benefit* the community. It was obviously
refused for reasons that make me laugh sometimes. We debated about it and
then decided to cost ibiam out the conference and reducing the support to
$500. With all the arguments, i eventually didn't prepare very well for the
schengen visa and i got rejected with no time to appeal because of the
confusion from Sugar Labs board. I lost over $600 from my personal funds
trying to get Sugar Labs stories and project down to bordeaux. Because i
believe that is the responsibility as a member of this community.

Can someone remind me again what is the "*Mission and Vision*" statement of
Sugar Labs?

Now, i was chosen based on the work i put into by helping as a mentor on
the new website to attend the mentor summit which i believe Google is
paying for not Sugar Labs, which has been over 6 years now. *Not *attending
the summit create a bad name from Sugar Labs because pay you to attend. Now
this motion is delayed because 3 in favour, 1 not-in-favour, 2 abstain
confirmed.

 I need to book appointment for an interview this week and it takes up to
(15 working days) for the US embassy to approve the appointment and
according to Google i need to have a visa on or before 5th of September.

So i am asking politely, *if* the community is not comfortable with me
going to the mentor summit in SFO, i will appreciate if i will be told
today or tomorrow. So that i can stop working on my DS-160 form and so that
someone can go instead of me, especially if that person will be needing a
visa. Because i don't buy or understand this excuses.

I am very open minded, i don't get angry alot but i hate *politics.*

Samson

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
>
> 2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>
>> Really???
>>
>> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
>> does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
>> (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
>> source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
>> precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
>> individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
>> community members for travel advances...
>>
>
>
> For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:
>
> *Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
> members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in 
> **democratic
> decision making.*
>
> Regards
>
> Laura V
>
> makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
>> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more
>> mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
>>> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>>>
>>> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a
>>> dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>>>
>>> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
>>> matters.
>>>
>>> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar
>>> Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to
>>> attend GSOC summit.
>>>
>>> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
>>> advance?
>>>
>>> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>>>
>>> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments
>>> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
>>> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
>>> the US embassy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
>>> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>>>
>>> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life
>>> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly
>>> incredible things in his life.*
>>>
>>> Thanks for this note.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him
>>> before voting.
>>> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>>>
>>>  Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :
>>>
 I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance f

Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-08-13 Por tema James Cameron 
I'm also very disappointed.

I don't see a conflict of interest because of friendship; a board can
always pay members of the board for costs if they choose, even by an
advance if necessary.  If friendship created a conflict of interest,
board members could never be friends.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 04:01:07PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
> 
> I am want to say that i am very very disappointed of what this community is
> turning into. I am certainly confuse of how some decisions are been made for
> reasons that are not just worth it.  
> 
> I remember asking for $2K+ as to support i and Ibiam's travel to the scratch
> conference that would benefit the community. It was obviously refused for
> reasons that make me laugh sometimes. We debated about it and then decided to
> cost ibiam out the conference and reducing the support to $500. With all the
> arguments, i eventually didn't prepare very well for the schengen visa and i
> got rejected with no time to appeal because of the confusion from Sugar Labs
> board. I lost over $600 from my personal funds trying to get Sugar Labs 
> stories
> and project down to bordeaux. Because i believe that is the responsibility as 
> a
> member of this community. 
> 
> Can someone remind me again what is the "Mission and Vision" statement of 
> Sugar
> Labs?
> 
> Now, i was chosen based on the work i put into by helping as a mentor on the
> new website to attend the mentor summit which i believe Google is paying for
> not Sugar Labs, which has been over 6 years now. Not attending the summit
> create a bad name from Sugar Labs because pay you to attend. Now this motion 
> is
> delayed because 3 in favour, 1 not-in-favour, 2 abstain confirmed.
> 
>  I need to book appointment for an interview this week and it takes up to (15
> working days) for the US embassy to approve the appointment and according to
> Google i need to have a visa on or before 5th of September.
> 
> So i am asking politely, if the community is not comfortable with me going to
> the mentor summit in SFO, i will appreciate if i will be told today or
> tomorrow. So that i can stop working on my DS-160 form and so that someone can
> go instead of me, especially if that person will be needing a visa. Because i
> don't buy or understand this excuses. 
> 
> I am very open minded, i don't get angry alot but i hate politics.
> 
> Samson 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laura Vargas <[1][email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> 2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <[2][email protected]>:
>
> Really???
> 
> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here?
> How does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community
> member (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable
> funding source with whom we have been working for years represent some
> "dangerous precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the 
> money
> as individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned
> to community members for travel advances...
> 
> For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:
> 
> Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
> members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in 
> democratic decision making.
>
> Regards
> 
> Laura V
> 
> makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the
> more mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
> <[3][email protected]
> > wrote:
> 
> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
> 
> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <[4][email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go
> to San Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a
> personal loan.
> 
> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is
> a dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
> 
> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from 
> all
> such matters.
> 
> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
> motion. 
> 
> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to
> Sugar Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from
> Sugar Labs to attend GSOC summit.
> 
> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
> advance? 
> 
> Dont Google pay for the travels? 
> 
> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such
>  comments on previous travels

Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-08-13 Por tema Samson Goddy 
Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.

On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this motion.

I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs
and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend
GSOC summit.

Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel advance?

Dont Google pay for the travels?

Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments on
previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening now,
at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with the
US embassy.



I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*

Thanks for this note.



On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:


Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before
voting.
In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".

 Lionel.


2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :

> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
> Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> [email protected]>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
>> [email protected]>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to [email protected]
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>
>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>>wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>> above, please correct them.
>>
>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>> request,
>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>
>> --
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>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
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>>
>>
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Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-08-13 Por tema Laura Vargas 
2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :

> Really???
>
> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
> does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
> (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
> source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
> precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
> individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
> community members for travel advances...
>


For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:

*Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions
in **democratic
decision making.*

Regards

Laura V

makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more
> mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:
>>
>> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
>> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>>
>> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a
>> dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>>
>> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
>> matters.
>>
>> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
>> motion.
>>
>> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs
>> and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend
>> GSOC summit.
>>
>> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
>> advance?
>>
>> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>>
>> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments
>> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
>> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
>> the US embassy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
>> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>>
>> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life
>> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly
>> incredible things in his life.*
>>
>> Thanks for this note.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him
>> before voting.
>> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>>
>>  Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :
>>
>>> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
>>> Samson Goddy.
>>> Tabitha
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
 so please respond ASAP.

 Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative
 to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel
 advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including
 wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel
 advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in
 travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our
 other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would
 be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will
 be negligible.

 regards.

 -walter


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
 [email protected]>
 Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
 Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
 for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
 To: [email protected]
 Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
 [email protected]>


 Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section
 below.

 Samson,

 Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
 > it has been 5 days, i already made request to [email protected]
 for
 > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the
 embassy to
 > accept appointment for interview.
 >
 > I haven't heard anything from both parties.

 Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
 approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.

 SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:

   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
 ASKS
   FOR A CASH ADVAN

Re: [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

2017-08-13 Por tema Adam Holt 
Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*


On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:


Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before
voting.
In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".

 Lionel.


2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :

> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
> Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> [email protected]>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
>> [email protected]>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to [email protected]
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>
>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>>wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>> above, please correct them.
>>
>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>> request,
>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>
>> --
>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
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