Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:45 AM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/13/2011 08:37, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, TJ Frazier  wrote: >>> >>> On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps >

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread TJ Frazier
On 8/13/2011 08:37, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, TJ Frazier wrote: On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phippswrote: Maybe. But I see no reason why this list needs the protection of being on a

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: >> >> 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps  wrote: >>> Maybe. But I see no reason why this list needs the protection of being on a controlled a

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/13/2011 12:33 PM, schrieb Jean Hollis Weber: On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 12:08 -0400, Shane Curcuru wrote: This is not a zero sum topic. Personally, I think the most useful solution would be: - an open wiki where a folksonomy can grow and have discussion, and lead to some obvious suggestions

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 12:08 -0400, Shane Curcuru wrote: > This is not a zero sum topic. Personally, I think the most useful > solution would be: > > - an open wiki where a folksonomy can grow and have discussion, and lead > to some obvious suggestions for later inclusion in... > > - a public-

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-13 Thread TJ Frazier
On 8/12/2011 08:47, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: 2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: Maybe. But I see no reason why this list needs the protection of being on a controlled access page and would suggest doing so is what needs justifying. I have not seen a

RE: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Gavin McDonald
> -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] > Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2011 2:46 AM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal]) > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nóirín Plunkett >

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >>> -1 >>> >>> Hey, a terrific blow for community there, Rob! >>> >>> Please don't ever do that again for a matter under a

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2011, at 16:53, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >>> -1 >>> >>> Hey, a terrific blow for community there, Rob! >>> >>> Please don't ever do that again for a matter under active d

RE: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
've been voting you've trampled over a lot of +1's here. Cut it out. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 08:53 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal]) On

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Simon Phipps
On 12 Aug 2011, at 16:53, Rob Weir wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: >> -1 >> >> Hey, a terrific blow for community there, Rob! >> >> Please don't ever do that again for a matter under active discussion. Not >> ever. >> >> I urge you to revert those chan

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton > > wrote: > >> -1 > >> > >> Hey, a terrific blow for community there, Rob! > >> > >> Please don't ever do that again for a matter

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
Whoa, let's all take a brief pause and tone down the instant disagreements. Seriously. This will wait for a day or two. Plus, heated discussions over who did what where and when are... not very useful. Rob's made a change which is something of an improvement by updating the mailing-lists.htm

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Nóirín Plunkett
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: >> -1 >> >> Hey, a terrific blow for community there, Rob! >> >> Please don't ever do that again for a matter under active discussion.  Not >> ever. >> >> I urge you to revert those c

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Rob Weir
al and a willingness to implement the alternative. >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 07:57 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal]) &g

RE: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal]) On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> The range of contributors to the website is identical to the range of >>

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> The range of contributors to the website is identical to the range of >> contributors to the wiki.  The only difference is in the wiki case >> they need to take the additional step to

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Nóirín Plunkett
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > The range of contributors to the website is identical to the range of > contributors to the wiki. The only difference is in the wiki case > they need to take the additional step to sign up for an account on the > wiki.  In other case they merel

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> I'm assuming that it is the new list subscriber that benefits most >> from this.  Existing subscribers will just follow the conventions they >> observe being used on the list.  Or do

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Nóirín Plunkett
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > I'm assuming that it is the new list subscriber that benefits most > from this.  Existing subscribers will just follow the conventions they > observe being used on the list.  Or do you expect to regularly check > the wiki to see what new subject

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 12/08/11 02:41, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber  wrote: >>> >>> On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" >>>  wrote: >>> +1 on putting materials like the suggested list-post subject categories >>

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Terry Ellison
On 12/08/11 02:41, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber wrote: On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: +1 on putting materials like the suggested list-post subject categories on the community wiki. I see no reason why it needs to be maintained anywhere e

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Nóirín Plunkett
2011/8/12 Jürgen Schmidt : > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> Maybe. But I see no reason why this list needs the protection of being on a >> controlled access page and would suggest doing so is what needs justifying. >> I have not seen a reasoned counter to my proposal fo

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > 2011/8/11 Jürgen Schmidt > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Simon Phipps > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 10 Aug 2011, at 23:12, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Kay Schenk > > > wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Aug 8

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-11 Thread imacat
So, I'm not the only one that thinks reading this list is a heavy task. ^^; On 2011/08/12 10:56, Rob Weir said: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> >> On 12 Aug 2011, at 02:41, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber wrote: On 12/08/2011,

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2011, at 02:41, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >>> On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" >>> wrote: >>> +1 on putting materials like the suggested list-post subject categorie

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-11 Thread Simon Phipps
On 12 Aug 2011, at 02:41, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >> On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" >> wrote: >> >>> +1 on putting materials like the suggested list-post subject categories on >>> the community wiki. I see no reason why it needs to

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: > >> +1 on putting materials like the suggested list-post subject categories on >> the community wiki.  I see no reason why it needs to be maintained anywhere >> else requiring higher cerem

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-11 Thread Andy Brown
Jean Weber wrote: On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: +1 on putting materials like the suggested list-post subject categories on the community wiki. I see no reason why it needs to be maintained anywhere else requiring higher ceremony. - Dennis +1 Jean +1 Andy

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-11 Thread Jean Weber
On 12/08/2011, at 10:25, "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: > +1 on putting materials like the suggested list-post subject categories on > the community wiki. I see no reason why it needs to be maintained anywhere > else requiring higher ceremony. > > - Dennis > +1 Jean

RE: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
, 2011 15:19 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal]) 2011/8/11 Jürgen Schmidt > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > > > On 10 Aug 2011, at 23:12, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Au

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-11 Thread Simon Phipps
2011/8/11 Jürgen Schmidt > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > > > > On 10 Aug 2011, at 23:12, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Kay Schenk > > wrote: > > >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler < > > rgard...@opendirective.com>wrote: > > >

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-11 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 10 Aug 2011, at 23:12, Rob Weir wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Kay Schenk > wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler < > rgard...@opendirective.com>wrote: > >> > >>> On 8 August 2011 16:14, Kay Schenk wr

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-10 Thread Simon Phipps
On 10 Aug 2011, at 23:12, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler >> wrote: >> >>> On 8 August 2011 16:14, Kay Schenk wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> From my perspective, I don't see the one BIG list as bad, but it wou

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-10 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > >> On 8 August 2011 16:14, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >> ... >> >> > From my perspective, I don't see the one BIG list as bad, but it would be >> > VERY helpful if folks could label messages mo

Re: Making mailing lists useful (was Re: [Proposal])

2011-08-10 Thread Kay Schenk
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 8 August 2011 16:14, Kay Schenk wrote: > > ... > > > From my perspective, I don't see the one BIG list as bad, but it would be > > VERY helpful if folks could label messages more succinctly and restrict > > discussion to rather specific asp