On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:09 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 05:20, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
...
(guess the fact that yours is smaller is caused by me having used DEV300
and you OOO340, so some CWSes that are empty for you have content for me)
Indeed I got more
On 07.07.2011 00:41, Simon Phipps wrote:
On 6 Jul 2011, at 23:19, Rob Weir wrote:
I think we're transitioning from a formally coordinated model led
by a corporation to a model that will have less formal
coordination structures. This is necessary to grow the project in
the absence of
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 08:34 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.orgwrote:
We had some earlier discussions on this. Personally, I was proposing
that we take the opportunity to simplify. For example, right now
we're doing all the
On 06.07.2011 18:35, Herbert Duerr wrote:
there is another tool, a HG extension called hg-git, which can
convert HG bookmarks to git branches.
http://hg-git.github.com/
Great find! I was already brushing up my python and mercurial internals
skills to extend hg-fast-export's
On 06.07.2011 19:12, Greg Stein wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 07:50, Michael Stahlm...@openoffice.org wrote:
On 05.07.2011 11:16, Herbert Duerr wrote:
If the goal is to just merge the outstanding CWSs into trunk I'd suggest
to stay with hg, merge all good CWSs into trunk and start the
As this list knows i will be speaking at the 6th ODF Plugfest on what
it means to OOo to be in the Apache Incubator. Since I am only a
mentor and not a committer my presentation will focus on the Apache
Way rather than the future of OOo. My intention is to communicate the
open and, in particular,
Rob,
Would it be worth considering using DITA for the documentation/help?
[...]
I'd like to argue for the advantages of DITA as a source format here.
I can probably find some volunteers to help enabled this. The
Symphony team uses DITA for doc/help, and we've already done the work
of
Hi Ross,
Let's ensure an emphasis on this statement from the Rationale:
ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
stakeholders to contribute
code in a collaborative fashion.
The ASF's inclusive approach combined with the the recognition of
LibreOffice community as an important and
On 07.07.2011 02:21, Greg Stein wrote:
I don't believe that we need our own security address since I doubt
we'll have that many *incoming* issues. Those reports can go to
secur...@apache.org, and that team will forward them to the PPMC.
Many is a quantity that is hard to compare with ;-). From
Is this something that the committers actually planning to do the work want?
It's not been clear to me which of the voices of this thread are among their
number.
Cheers
S.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote:
Would it be worth considering using DITA for the
On 6 July 2011 23:51, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:
To date the LibreOffice crew has taken the effort to merge in changes from
the OOo code line, for each release.
The most obvious and best way to collaborate in the future is to write good
code, and make it worth their while to
On 7 July 2011 12:09, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 6 July 2011 23:51, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:
To date the LibreOffice crew has taken the effort to merge in changes
from
the OOo code line, for each release.
The most obvious and best way to
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Frank Peters fpe.mli...@googlemail.com wrote:
Rob,
Would it be worth considering using DITA for the documentation/help?
[...]
I'd like to argue for the advantages of DITA as a source format here.
I can probably find some volunteers to help enabled this. The
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
Moin,
I know how the help files where written at Sun/Oracle: the writers took
Writer for the text and used a set of basic macros to put some markup
into the files. Then they used an xslt to convert the document into
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
As this list knows i will be speaking at the 6th ODF Plugfest on what
it means to OOo to be in the Apache Incubator. Since I am only a
mentor and not a committer my presentation will focus on the Apache
Way rather
Am 07/07/2011 11:25 AM, schrieb Graham Lauder:
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 08:34 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Graham Lauderyori...@openoffice.orgwrote:
We had some earlier discussions on this. Personally, I was proposing
that we take the opportunity to simplify.
On 07.07.2011 13:25, Ian Lynch wrote:
On 7 July 2011 12:09, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 6 July 2011 23:51, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:
To date the LibreOffice crew has taken the effort to merge in changes
from
the OOo code line, for each release.
On 7 July 2011 13:10, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
On 07.07.2011 13:09, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 6 July 2011 23:51, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:
To date the LibreOffice crew has taken the effort to merge in changes from
the OOo code line, for each release.
The most
On 07/07/2011 04:09 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 05:20, Mathias Bauermathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
...
(guess the fact that yours is smaller is caused by me having used DEV300
and you OOO340, so some CWSes that are empty for you have content for me)
Indeed I got more empty
On 7 July 2011 13:17, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
...
One thing would be to collaborate to remove any redundant code. I have heard
that the LibO people have already worked on this so removing code should be
something that is not too controversial license-wise and could filter
On 7 Jul 2011, at 13:17, Mathias Bauer wrote:
This would at least require that someone having done that at LO would
contribute a patch for OOo. Having a patch could help to do the removal
in the same way as in LO. That could make sure that afterwards the code
bases became more similar and
On 7/7/2011 07:26, Mathias Bauer wrote:
Moin,
I know how the help files where written at Sun/Oracle: the writers took
Writer for the text and used a set of basic macros to put some markup
into the files. Then they used an xslt to convert the document into the
xhp format.
I can't speak for the
Yes, that's a good question in terms of who the primary writers of this
kind of help content are, and if they're participating in this thread.
But it certainly sounds like there's enough positive feedback (and it
seems Rob can draw on some experience around DITA) that it's definitely
worth
On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 07:52 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
Moin,
I know how the help files where written at Sun/Oracle: the writers took
Writer for the text and used a set of basic macros to put some markup
into the
Bringing the threads together on the public list so we can (hopefully)
quickly discuss.
As I understand it now, the OpenOffice.org currently directs visitors
to report vulnerability reports to securityt...@openoffice.org. This
address is currently being monitored.
And at Apache we ask
http://blogs.apache.org/
Any PPMC member can simply ask infrastructure@ to create a blog for the
podling (I think that's the right list), specifying the preferred name
for the blog. The PPMC should manage a list of PPMC members who have
write access to the blog, and ensure that comments
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote:
Also, if securityt...@openoffice.org has a list of other security
contacts with whom they routinely share pre-public disclosure security
information, we'd appreciate having that list, sent to our private
list:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On 7 Jul 2011, at 13:17, Mathias Bauer wrote:
This would at least require that someone having done that at LO would
contribute a patch for OOo.
Hi Donald, Ross, all,
Am 07.07.2011 12:56, schrieb Donald Harbison:
[...]
The end of a corporate controlled project, and the beginning of two new open
source projects
[...]
I would like to change this part of the description. I think it should
be made absolute clear to the public that the
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:01 AM, theUser BL theuse...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi!
What is the advantage of the Apache OpenOffice.org Fork?
Currently there are two point of views what a OOo fork is and what not.
If you look at the trademark and logo, then LibreOffice is the fork.
But if you
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.orgwrote:
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 08:34 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org
wrote:
We had some earlier discussions on this. Personally, I was proposing
that
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
Am 07/07/2011 11:25 AM, schrieb Graham Lauder:
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 08:34 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Graham Lauderyori...@openoffice.org**
wrote:
We had some earlier discussions on
On 7 Jul 2011, at 16:03, IngridvdM wrote:
Hi Donald, Ross, all,
Am 07.07.2011 12:56, schrieb Donald Harbison:
[...]
The end of a corporate controlled project, and the beginning of two new open
source projects
[...]
I would like to change this part of the description. I think it should
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:03 AM, IngridvdM ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de wrote:
Hi Donald, Ross, all,
Am 07.07.2011 12:56, schrieb Donald Harbison:
[...]
The end of a corporate controlled project, and the beginning of two new
open
source projects
[...]
I would like to change this part of
Over in another thread there has been some discussion of easy tasks
being identified to help newcomers find their way in the OOo project.
In the ASF the Community Development project works to make ASF
projects a little more accessible. Typically it's very scary for a
newcomer, regardless of their
On Jul 7, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
Yes, that's a good question in terms of who the primary writers of this kind
of help content are, and if they're participating in this thread. But it
certainly sounds like there's enough positive feedback (and it seems Rob can
draw on some
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On 07/07/2011 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
Bringing the threads together on the public list so we can (hopefully)
quickly discuss.
As I understand it now, the OpenOffice.org currently directs visitors
to report vulnerability reports to
We've received some criticism from our Mentors for using the private
list too eagerly. I'm certainly guilty in that. I think the key
thing is that the private list is for discussing matters that require
privacy, but that this does not include discussing procedures around
privacy and
+1
On Jul 7, 2011 11:45 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote:
We've received some criticism from our Mentors for using the private
list too eagerly. I'm certainly guilty in that. I think the key
thing is that the private list is for discussing matters that require
privacy, but that this does
Hi Simon,
Am 07.07.2011 17:26, schrieb Simon Phipps:
On 7 Jul 2011, at 16:03, IngridvdM wrote:
Hi Donald, Ross, all,
Am 07.07.2011 12:56, schrieb Donald Harbison:
[...]
The end of a corporate controlled project, and the beginning of two new open
source projects
[...]
I would like to
On 07.07.2011 14:59, TJ Frazier wrote:
On 7/7/2011 07:26, Mathias Bauer wrote:
Moin,
I know how the help files where written at Sun/Oracle: the writers took
Writer for the text and used a set of basic macros to put some markup
into the files. Then they used an xslt to convert the document
--- On Thu, 7/7/11, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
...
Hence the desire to see the work that has already been done
on LO contributed here, rather than a related-but-different
cleanup.
All these contributions are hypothetical ... at least
until we have a repository of our own. And
Rob Weir wrote on Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 13:16:39 -0400:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name
wrote:
Rob Weir wrote on Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 11:44:33 -0400:
2) I wonder whether it would be a good idea, at least while the PPMC
is still growing and we're
Hi Rob, all,
On 07.07.11 15:48, Rob Weir wrote:
Bringing the threads together on the public list so we can (hopefully)
quickly discuss.
As I understand it now, the OpenOffice.org currently directs visitors
to report vulnerability reports to securityt...@openoffice.org. This
address is
Hi Simon, all,
On 07.07.11 16:25, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com
mailto:apa...@robweir.com wrote:
Also, if securityt...@openoffice.org
mailto:securityt...@openoffice.org has a list of other security
contacts with whom they
On 07.07.2011 18:52, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
--- On Thu, 7/7/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
...
The macro package is available as an extension that can be
installed with the extension manager. It also contains the
xslt that is installed as an export filter.
Just
On 06.07.2011 19:08, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 16:04, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
Moin,
On 05.07.2011 18:14, Mathias Bauer wrote:
...
Do we really want to have code in the svn repo that will
Hi Greg,
On 07.07.2011 04:09, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 05:20, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
...
(guess the fact that yours is smaller is caused by me having used DEV300
and you OOO340, so some CWSes that are empty for you have content for me)
Indeed I got more
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
-1 on that part. Please God, treat us like adults here.
The analogy I had in mind was to official government committees and
boards in my state, where they are required to conduct their business
in public. But they
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 13:57, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
Hi Greg,
On 07.07.2011 04:09, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 05:20, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
...
(guess the fact that yours is smaller is caused by me having used DEV300
and you OOO340, so
apologies - bad form on my part.
Andrew
On 7/7/2011 11:19 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:
I know it's soap opera stuff - but here, a Simon slap-down
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Oracle Corporate Architecture Group
Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847
On
--- On Thu, 7/7/11, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
...
The original OpenOffice.org project is no more and that
there are now two projects taking the code forward. Seems
easy enough to understand and gives no scope for arguing
about who is to blame for what. And uses neither the word
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.comwrote:
I know you want to be politically correct and don't want
to alienate other potential developers, but the undeniable
facts are:
The fact we could easily discuss this at length without ever agreeing what
the
Hopefully we've discussed this enough this week that people will start
to learn the rule of it should always be on the dev@ list unless
there's a specific reason to use the private@ list, and that will be
sufficient for the time being.
On 7/7/2011 2:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011
On 7/7/2011 16:52, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Pedro F. Giffunigiffu...@tutopia.comwrote:
I know you want to be politically correct and don't want
to alienate other potential developers, but the undeniable
facts are:
The fact we could easily discuss this at length
I want to make it clear that I have absolutely no intention of talking
about the past in this presentation. I am not a part of OOo's history,
other than being a Star Office user way back when it had a browser,
mail client and calendar in addition to the current tools in OOo. I
remember a Star
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:45, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote:
...
One of the things LibreOffice pretends to do, for
example, is to remove Java as a dependency, a move
that is not very attractive to Apache developers, I think.
Bah. I'd *love* to get rid of a JVM dependency :-)
Asked for a screenshot? Here you are:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:SO52_Desktopintegration.pngfiletimestamp=20090521112446
And already in German. ;-) I think for the license it should be OK when
you name the source.
When I remember
On Jul 7, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:45, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote:
...
One of the things LibreOffice pretends to do, for
example, is to remove Java as a dependency, a move
that is not very attractive to Apache developers, I think.
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:55:08 +0100, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...
I assume you'll cover what Incubation at Apache is all about? The
tasks necessary to graduate form the backbone of our medium-term
plan.
Absolutely. The main body of the session will be about The Apache
Ross,
You might find some crisp talking points in the status report as well, since
that text is being reviewed and will presumably be signed-off by a mentor
before you embark for Berlin.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com]
Sent:
On 7 July 2011 22:51, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
Asked for a screenshot? Here you are:
...
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:SO52_Desktopintegration.pngfiletimestamp=20090521112446
Perfect, thank you.
Ross
One of the reasons I have stuck with OO and have not looked further into
LO was the fact that binaries were not provided for my preferred
desktop, Solaris. Specifically, I primarily use either OpenSolaris
Nevada or OpenIndiana.
A (more than high level but not completely extensive) search of the
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Jerry Kemp sun.mail.lis...@oryx.cc wrote:
One of the reasons I have stuck with OO and have not looked further into
LO was the fact that binaries were not provided for my preferred
desktop, Solaris. Specifically, I primarily use either OpenSolaris
Nevada or
On 8 Jul 2011, at 00:04, Jerry Kemp wrote:
One of the reasons I have stuck with OO and have not looked further into
LO was the fact that binaries were not provided for my preferred
desktop, Solaris. Specifically, I primarily use either OpenSolaris
Nevada or OpenIndiana.
A (more than high
Sorry Rob, I missed this mail. As you know I will be there and I would
love to touch base with you and any others who will be present. I
haven't booked my flights and hotel yet, but will mail you offlist
once I have my details settled. unfortunately I will probably not get
there until the 14th.
Hi,
The Brazilian community [1] still maintains a minimum structure of support
to users of OOo/Libo. I forwarded the questions that come to help single
list in Brazil [2]. But, this week someone from the list of TDF did not like
these referrals. Then I ask if we can start thinking about
Hey Ross
I'll be there also, and I would also be interested in touching base all
involved in the Apache effort.
Andrew
On 7/7/2011 4:43 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
Sorry Rob, I missed this mail. As you know I will be there and I would
love to touch base with you and any others who will be
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