I figured that, since you'd done the checkouts I would just make a copy of your
set (in case you started working on it) and then download them to my computer
from orc...@people.apache.org.
The copy was quick.
The download was very time consuming, though I did not have to pay attention to
Am 09/03/2011 02:29 PM, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni:
--- On Sat, 9/3/11, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
--- On Fri, 9/2/11, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org
wrote:
Is it worth contacting the authors of these dictionaries to
see if they would consider giving it a license we can use?
.
BTW:
IMHO there was a similar discussion if and how to integrate the Catalan
language variante spoken in Valencian beside the normal Catalan one.
At the end we have enabled and integrated translation for Valencian -
also because there was a strong support to do all the work - as you can
see
Hi,
I'd like to introduce myself:
My name is Joost Andrae and I live in Hamburg, Germany.
I was working on StarOffice/OpenOffice.org full time since I joined
StarDivision as QA engineer in 1995. This was the time when StarOffice
development started. Since several years I'm working as program
Hi, Joost,
On 9/4/2011 07:04, Joost Andrae wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to introduce myself:
My name is Joost Andrae and I live in Hamburg, Germany.
I was working on StarOffice/OpenOffice.org full time since I joined
StarDivision as QA engineer in 1995. This was the time when StarOffice
development
Welcome on board. Great to see you here. :-)
Marcus
Am 09/04/2011 01:04 PM, schrieb Joost Andrae:
Hi,
I'd like to introduce myself:
My name is Joost Andrae and I live in Hamburg, Germany.
I was working on StarOffice/OpenOffice.org full time since I joined
StarDivision as QA engineer in
Hi TJ,
I'm not sure if the backend infrastructure of the crash reporter can be
hosted outside a trusted network and it's fairly complex as it contains
debugging systems for all platforms available, as well as a big database
which is tied to the Hamburg build infrastructure and it stores
On 9/4/2011 07:56, Joost Andrae wrote:
Hi TJ,
I'm not sure if the backend infrastructure of the crash reporter can be
hosted outside a trusted network and it's fairly complex as it contains
debugging systems for all platforms available, as well as a big database
which is tied to the Hamburg
Hi Rob,
As a Hu forum admin and not a native English speaker lot of time raised
the forum question from beginning.
I dissatisfied with your ignorant behavior to forums, you not want to
make any steps to understand our questions.
Not registered into forums, and not see into the discussions.
On 04/09/11 15:15, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
A few days ago, I made the statement below and received a generally robust
and unapologetic response. I don't want to rehash this again, but this
tipped the balance for me and I
Rob Weir wrote:
1) What constitutes a language is as much a political and cultural
question as a linguistic one. No sense debating it here.
Ultimately what matters to us is whether ISO assigned a code to the
language or not, so a technical issue; as I wrote earlier, it did in ISO
639-2
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 15:15, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk
wrote:
A few days ago, I made the statement below and received a generally
robust
and unapologetic response. I
If behavior discussions are going to occur at all, it's probably
better that they happen in public rather than there be the feeling of
a secret faceless committee to which users can neither respond nor
appeal. The latter can lead to discontent.
Exactly. And where do users go to complain
--- On Sun, 9/4/11, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
...
Example 1:
- A posting in LO mailinglist from Sept 2010 says:
Creating a 'bug' saw no action in 3 years
Here is hoping that posting the patch to this
new project will :-)
(There goes one developer that will probably
On Sep 4, 2011 3:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
that we should be doing in private. Discussing such matters, even if
strong opinions are raised, is the essence of transparency. Remember,
controversial is not the
Rob, the volunteers on the forums want to keep providing a service for
all OOo end-users that they can take pride and dignity in. That's all.
The debating style here can be robust and sometimes falls far below the
standard that we expect participants to follow.
2011.09.04. 16:42 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Reizinger Zoltánzreizin...@hdsnet.hu wrote:
snip
Why you think the volunteers and admins will join to this list, if you not
makes any steps into the other directions?
I'm assuming the volunteers and admins want
--- On Sun, 9/4/11, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
...
As addition:
It's also about code quality and stability.
I have never said the contrary.
Currently we have already a (relative) stable code with the
released OOo 3.4 Beta. So, it would be IMHO not clever to
through in all the new code from
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 3:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
that we should be doing in private. Discussing such matters, even if
strong opinions are
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:45:31 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
that we should be doing in private. Discussing such matters, even if
strong opinions are raised, is the essence of transparency. Remember,
controversial
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:45:31 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
that we should be doing in private. Discussing such matters, even if
strong
Hi Andrea,
On Sunday, 2011-09-04 16:39:35 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
Rob Weir wrote:
1) What constitutes a language is as much a political and cultural
question as a linguistic one. No sense debating it here.
Ultimately what matters to us is whether ISO assigned a code to the
language
Hi Marc-Oliver,
On Thursday, 2011-09-01 14:38:36 +0200, Marc-Oliver Straub wrote:
I switched to gcc44, and get the following build error:
Entering /tmp/apache_oo/svn_clean/ooo/main/xml2cmp/source/finder
Compiling: xml2cmp/source/finder/dependy.cxx
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:52:00 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Your information is incomplete then. Earlier in the thread Terry said
that there were ongoing discussions in the private forum that
paralleled this discussion. I assume you are aware of that thread?
Such discusssions were
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
Rob, the volunteers on the forums want to keep providing a service for all
OOo end-users that they can take pride and dignity in. That's all. The
debating style here can be robust and sometimes falls far below the
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support forums. They do not operate autonomously.
Are you sure? I believe they do.
S.
Am 09/04/2011 05:10 PM, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni:
--- On Sun, 9/4/11, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:
...
Example 1:
- A posting in LO mailinglist from Sept 2010 says:
Creating a 'bug' saw no action in 3 years
Here is hoping that posting the patch to this
new project will :-)
Am 09/04/2011 05:31 PM, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni:
--- On Sun, 9/4/11, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
...
As addition:
It's also about code quality and stability.
I have never said the contrary.
Currently we have already a (relative) stable code with the
released OOo 3.4 Beta. So, it would be IMHO
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com
wrote:
Do you really want to discuss a users behavior in public?
It might be different to discuss roughly at the dev forums were most
people know each other than in a public message boards were even my
grandmother might participate. At this project I heard the term end
users very often; I don't think you can use the same rules of heavy
geek-discussion for
Hi Ariel,
On Friday, 2011-09-02 17:43:44 -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
after some investigation, it turns out that the component is
not included in the services.rdb, due to a typo in
postprocess/packcomponents/makefile.mk
-.IF $(ENABLE_OGL) == TRUE
+.IF $(ENABLE_OPENGL) == TRUE
On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support forums. They do not operate autonomously.
Are you sure? I believe they do.
+1 to Simons view -1 to Rob.
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:52:00 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Your information is incomplete then. Earlier in the thread Terry said
that there were ongoing discussions in the private forum that
paralleled this
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support forums. They do not operate
On 04/09/11 16:49, Rob Weir wrote:
... we are not discussing project operations on ooo-private. We
use that list for voting in new committers and for exchanging
confidential information, like the real email addresses of new
committers. Almost any other attempted use of ooo-private has been
Terry Ellison wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 18:09:15 +0100:
On 04/09/11 16:49, Rob Weir wrote:
... we are not discussing project operations on ooo-private. We
use that list for voting in new committers and for exchanging
confidential information, like the real email addresses of new
On 04/09/11 17:47, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
It might be different to discuss roughly at the dev forums were most
people know each other than in a public message boards were even my
grandmother might participate. At this project I heard the term end
users very often; I don't think you can use
The users on the user list sent me to this (dev) list.
I use linux with KDE 3.5. Un/selecting use system font
has no effect. Adding font replacements has no effect.
I tried the scaling options, but they only affect the
document I am editing, not the UI.
Please tell me, where in the source code
On 04/09/11 18:01, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.orgwrote:
Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
own the support
Being a member-based organization the ASF requires
that all foundation activities be subject to member
scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions).
I would be perfectly satisfied if the private forums
are fully archived and made available to any ASF member on
request, without undue
On 04/09/11 18:15, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
...
If the forums community doesn't want to become part of the ASF project
then why has the PPMC asked infra to migrate the forums to ASF hardware?
...
Because those of us who are engaged on the project thought that it's the
best thing to do, and want
Hi Rob,
On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 20:11:01 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
So I think we take this on a case-by-case basis. Personally, I don't
have problems with a small patch of a few lines where the author has
clearly expressed they are contributing it under ALv2. But a patch of
10,000 lines
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 13:51:56 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Just so I am perfectly clear. There should be two kinds of project
discussions:
1) Those that are in public
and
2) Those that are in private because they deal with matters that are
sensitive, such as handling of
Terry Ellison wrote:
[Rob Weir] Honestly, if a forum volunteer is not already on this
list, understanding what we are doing and how Apache project works and
how the code base is developing, etc., then they will have a very
difficult time fairly representing the project to the users. ...
-0.75
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 13:38 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 17:47, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
It might be different to discuss roughly at the dev forums were most
people know each other than in a public message
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Being a member-based organization the ASF requires
that all foundation activities be subject to member
scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions).
I would be perfectly satisfied if the private forums
are
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 13:32 -0400, the mad doctor kaeding wrote:
The users on the user list sent me to this (dev) list.
I use linux with KDE 3.5. Un/selecting use system font
has no effect. Adding font replacements has no effect.
I tried the scaling options, but they only affect the
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 14:05 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Being a member-based organization the ASF requires
that all foundation activities be subject to member
scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions).
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 18:36, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Being a member-based organization the ASF requires
that all foundation activities be subject to member
scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions).
I would be
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 13:59 -0400, drew wrote:
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 13:38 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
snip
And they need to know that information on the day a new release comes
out, so they can answer questions that come on day 1 of that new
release.
*chuckling* - you know, I hope, that
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote:
Hi Rob,
On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 20:11:01 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
So I think we take this on a case-by-case basis. Personally, I don't
have problems with a small patch of a few lines where the author has
clearly expressed
For the record, I have ceased my effort to track down someone to administer
those lists.
I have learned that the specific problem of the annoying echo has been solved
and discussion on the effected lists is continuing normally.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton
I suspect that one reason that the private discussions Terry mentions are in
private is that the administrators there do not want to scare the regular users
of the forum, especially since there has been little concrete information over
there from here. (And the barrier to coming over here is,
Hi Dennis,
Le 4 sept. 11 à 20:23, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :
For the record, I have ceased my effort to track down someone to
administer those lists.
I'd like to thank you for your efforts, and your time, to help us.
I have learned that the specific problem of the annoying echo has
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 18:29 +0100, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 12:35:05 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
This is really easy to resolve:
1) Discussions on evolving forum policies and rules must occur on
ooo-dev. These are tantamount to proposals, and they are
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:40 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote:
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 18:29 +0100, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 12:35:05 -0400
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
This is really easy to resolve:
1) Discussions on evolving forum policies and rules must occur on
In the interests of reaching an acceptable
outcome for everyone, I suggest we not go
down the rabbit hole of who legally owns
the forums. Just so long as at the end of
the road there is no question of ownership
once the migration is completed, it makes
no sense to pursue this issue further.
Ahh.. found it!
The problem is solved in section 5 of the
Apache License:
___
5. Submission of Contributions.
Unless You explicitly state otherwise, any Contribution intentionally submitted
for inclusion in the Work by You to the Licensor shall be under the terms and
conditions of this
Hello Joost--
We can certainly use your valuable insights, and I'm sure you have MANY!
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 4:04 AM, Joost Andrae joost.and...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to introduce myself:
My name is Joost Andrae and I live in Hamburg, Germany.
I was working on
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
I figured that, since you'd done the checkouts I would just make a copy of
your set (in case you started working on it) and then download them to my
computer from orc...@people.apache.org.
yes, that was the
On 03/09/2011 FR web forum wrote:
[TJ Frazier] old Bugzilla is moaning in red letters that it is now
read-only, and doesn't have a forwarding URL. Somebody with admin
privileges at OO.o should fix that.
+1
Definitely. The I do not have a new URL for the RW Bugzilla yet!
warning leaves users
I'm putting aside for sake of this note the alternate approach,
suggested by some, of allowing the support Forums to operate
independently outside of Apache. I'm merely talking about what would
make the forums into a well-integrated part of the project, in terms
of decision making,
On 4 September 2011 22:37, Terry Ellison te...@ellisons.org.uk wrote:
On 04/09/11 22:13, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Sep 4, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Terry Ellisonte...@ellisons.org.uk
...
If several members of the PPMC are participating as forum
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.orgwrote:
Below is the notice that I am providing (to English Language pages only),
at OpenOffice.org lists, forums, and also ooo-users@i.a.o.
PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANT is that, if you select Search and view the Simple
Search tab,
They can move and take everything with them but the hardware, the domain name,
and the trademark.
That's actually quite a lot. I don't have it much better with the hosting
service that now hosts my public goodies. (I have the domain name and the
trademark. I also have current backups of
All of this mention and talking about moderators has raised a puzzle in my mind.
We have moderation on all of our lists. What is the oversight on moderator
actions?
- Dennis
PS: Hypothetical slippery-slope arguments don't work. It is mutual in all of
those categories what conditions we
Well, there are no mentors to tell them to put it on a public Forum. It is not
an Apache undertaking yet.
I admire them for keeping this discussion off of the general boards because it
would doubtless disturb those they serve as much as it disturbs people who
watch us conduct ourselves
As far as I can tell and there are up to three NL forums that require special
karma to visit, as TerryE has already explained.
At least one of them is different for each language group. That is the Forum
Issues forum that is per language. The title on the English Forums is EN-Forum
Issues:
Joe, please correct me if I am misunderstanding this:
I am assuming that Joe is speaking as an Apache Software Foundation Member. It
is a requirement that all lists be accessible to ASF Members and I believe they
all are, even the archives of private ones.
I keep hearing that the requirement
I think we are beyond ready. I'm not sure why my feeling matters.
We are also beyond ready for fixing the notice on the OpenOffice.org web site.
There are also a number of web pages that describe creating Issues and finding
them need to be updated on OpenOffice.org web.
But I am not one
I am looking at Chinese text in the zh Project on Bugzilla. Really. So how is
that not possible? And do we even want it to be?
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@openoffice.org]
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 14:13
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
snip
I don't know that *anyone* has actually invited them. They have been told
what the changes are, as in mailing list messages and the sudden transfer of
Bugzilla.
Actually, there were offline discussions
Hi Rob and all,
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I can help with your questions on the process.
Thanks.
dev-br @ spamassassin.apache.org (but only 1 post in the last 2208 days)
dev-de @ spamassassin.apache.org (not very active, only 47 posts in 121 days)
O sorry my mistake ;)
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
I see. Let us take dev-ja @ incubator.apache.org
I meant ooo-dev-ja @ incubator.apache.org
:)
Thanks,
khirano
Le 4 sept. 11 à 17:58, Simon Phipps a écrit :
On Sep 4, 2011 7:04 AM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote:
Stefan is Simon Phipps friend in the background.
Sophie belongs to Louis's friends list.
What I don't know is about Louis and TDF in the background.
Maybe you see better why everything
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 15:19, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote:
Now, I see TDF proposes a Board of Director. This means TDF has a
pyramidal structure (read : The Cathedral and the Bazaar), will be controled
by several Companies, who will decide.
The simple contributor will decide nothing,
Hi Jean,
Le 5 sept. 11 à 07:32, Jean Weber a écrit :
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 15:19, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote:
Now, I see TDF proposes a Board of Director. This means TDF has a
pyramidal structure (read : The Cathedral and the Bazaar), will be
controled
by several Companies, who
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