Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-29 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 September 2011 16:51, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: If TDF wants to take the AOOo source code and build it, with or without enhancements, and release it under the name LibreOffice for use with Linux distros,

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Kay, Can you supply an update to whatever is going on on this wiki page? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Community+Forums This page looks like an technical overview of running the forum. I am not sure a status information would fit there. Anyway, here is some more info,

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-29 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:00:04 +0200 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: snipped - synopsis of the proposed move of forums to Apache It is is still a confusing situation, and we finally started a draft of the necessary changes:

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-29 Thread floris v
Op 29-9-2011 10:54, Rory O'Farrell schreef: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:00:04 +0200 Christian Grobmeiergrobme...@gmail.com wrote: snipped - synopsis of the proposed move of forums to Apache It is is still a confusing situation, and we finally started a draft of the necessary changes:

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1. Add that the discussion could continue on https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project but it doesn't. Why? Is there something wrong with how I expressed myself there? I had a bunch of stuff on my desk I needed to work on, so I

odma.h [was: Re: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license]

2011-09-29 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, thanks for details on ODMA and the made research on the current source code. I have figured out that the complete ODMA stuff in our source code is not part of the build and thus, not part of an installation set - the source folder /ucb/source/ucp/odma is not built. I did some research in

Re: [DISCUSS] Is it worth looking at Confluence Wiki Again?

2011-09-29 Thread TJ Frazier
On 9/27/2011 20:37, TJ Frazier wrote: On 9/27/2011 17:03, Rob Weir wrote: snip I'm assuming this is the link: http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Wiki/statistics That should be a good assumption, but no. It's busted. I'll fix it. Meanwhile, you can see it on the main page of the live wiki:

hwpfilter/source/ksc5601.h - header from GNU c library

2011-09-29 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, the low-hanging fruits are hanging quite high ;-) Thus, as given at [1], we can get file ksc5601.h from [2] under a Apache permissive license. Unfortunately, the provided file [3] does not contain a license or copyright header. But a copyright file [4] exists at the same location as

Re: svn commit: r796325 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: ./ content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html

2011-09-29 Thread TJ Frazier
Dave, several small points: * I have Bureaucrat and Administrator rights on the Mwiki copy. Email me (on ooo-dev or privately) to activate an existing account, or set up a new one. Anyone should be able to access the copy in read-only mode. http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/ * To establish a Roller

Re: Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-29 Thread Christophe Strobbe
Hi, I would like to add something to what Jean-Philippe Mengual already wrote. I am involved in the development of a few OpenOffice.org extensions that are related to accessibility: an extension that exports ODT to digital talking books in the DAISY format (odt2daisy on SourceForge), an

Re: A systematic approach to IP review?

2011-09-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Let me recall the bidding a little here.  What I said was It is unlikely that machine-generated files of any kind are copyrightable subject matter. You point out that computer-generated files might

Re: hwpfilter/source/ksc5601.h - header from GNU c library

2011-09-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, the low-hanging fruits are hanging quite high ;-) Thus, as given at [1], we can get file ksc5601.h from [2] under a Apache permissive license. Unfortunately, the provided file [3] does not contain a

Re: hwpfilter/source/ksc5601.h - header from GNU c library

2011-09-29 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
On 29.09.2011 15:15, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, the low-hanging fruits are hanging quite high ;-) Thus, as given at [1], we can get file ksc5601.h from [2] under a Apache permissive license. Unfortunately,

OT: Generated File IP

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I WENT TOO FAR. (I am changing the thread because a lot of this is not relevant to IP review. I think the conclusion C is all that matters with regard to copyright and copyright-based licenses.) My comment about binaries is completely off the mark. Ever since software was made copyrightable

Re: svn commit: r796325 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: ./ content/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html

2011-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:58 AM, TJ Frazier wrote: On 9/29/2011 09:41, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:05 AM, TJ Fraziertjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Dave, several small points: * I have Bureaucrat and Administrator rights on the Mwiki copy. Email me (on ooo-dev or privately) to

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-29 Thread Kay Schenk
On 09/29/2011 01:00 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Kay, Can you supply an update to whatever is going on on this wiki page? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Community+Forums This page looks like an technical overview of running the forum. I am not sure a status

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Not sure which issue you mean. Are speaking of 4) Work on the rebranding and other content changes to comply with agreed project requirements no...Terry filed an actual JIRA issue on setting this up... see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3888 but it is now closed I think

Re: hwpfilter/source/ksc5601.h - header from GNU c library

2011-09-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Thu, 9/29/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... OK.  So [4] is a permissive license for all files in the directory. This may seen odd, coming from the FSF, but they encourage this is some cases, such as when the code is very small, or where the code promotes the use of an open

Re: hwpfilter/source/ksc5601.h - header from GNU c library

2011-09-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Oliver; --- On Thu, 9/29/11, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: ... Thanks for the input. Adding the URL for the origin of the copyright and license text is a good idea. I will add it and use it also to point to the origin of ksc5601.h. As Pedro researched the files are also found at

Re: hwpfilter/source/ksc5601.h - header from GNU c library

2011-09-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: Hi Oliver; --- On Thu, 9/29/11, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: ... Thanks for the input. Adding the URL for the origin of the copyright and license text is a good idea. I will add it and use it also to point to

How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Rob Weir
A recent press article suggested that this project had not had any new committers since the project started. This is false. But it would be hard to tell that, looking at our mailing list or website. So far we've been quiet about new committers. We have the votes, process the paper work, etc.,

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 29, 2011, at 1:54 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:00:04 +0200 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: snipped - synopsis of the proposed move of forums to Apache It is is still a

Re: [DISCUSS] Is it worth looking at Confluence Wiki Again?

2011-09-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:33 AM, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 9/27/2011 20:37, TJ Frazier wrote: On 9/27/2011 17:03, Rob Weir wrote: snip I'm assuming this is the link: http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Wiki/statistics That should be a good assumption, but no. It's busted.

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Perhaps instead of announcements of new committers, announcements of actual commits (more than just one) from somebody who hasn't committed earlier would be interesting... --tml

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Sep 29, 2011 6:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: A recent press article suggested that this project had not had any new committers since

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at the AOO people page (http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html) I see some of our contributors.  Is this a list of committers?  If so, perhaps new committers can be announced along the lines of,

Re: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-29 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 28.09.2011 00:49, Michael Stahl wrote: On 27.09.2011 22:22, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: What is the oldest Windows OS version that Apache OOo 3.4(-dev) will be supported on? How does that compare with the oldest

Re: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-29 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 28.09.2011 21:03, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Yes, and as long as there are no real technical problems I don't see a need to drop the support. Indeed, and AFAIR dropping the support for any OS versions always was technically motivated at OOo. Of course technical motivations are debatable.

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: The authoritative list of committers is here: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html That has been silently updated as new committers have been elected. It is always good to know this page:

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Sep 29, 2011 6:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Some Apache projects announce each new committer to their main mailing list.  Others don't.

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Ross Gardler
On 29 September 2011 19:00, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote: Perhaps instead of announcements of new committers, announcements of actual commits (more than just one) from somebody who hasn't committed earlier would be interesting... -0 When a patch is committed the commit message should

Re: [users] Unable to add comment on OpenOffice.org Bugzilla

2011-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Mark, I suspect that the copy of this email to ooo-dev is caught in moderation. Since I am subscribed I'll forward this. FWIW - the BZ instance at issues.apache.org/ooo is an upgraded and migrated version of the bugzilla that Oracle hosts (which should now be read-only.) It is not

RE: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 but with reference to the list that indicates a committer who has been authorized for this project. That is the one Christian provided, http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. This list is useful to verify that committers are established and authorized in the system to

Re: odma.h [was: Re: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license]

2011-09-29 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 29.09.2011 11:28, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, thanks for details on ODMA and the made research on the current source code. I have figured out that the complete ODMA stuff in our source code is not part of the build and thus, not part of an installation set - the source

Re: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-29 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 29.09.2011 20:17, schrieb Mathias Bauer: On 28.09.2011 00:49, Michael Stahl wrote: On 27.09.2011 22:22, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: What is the oldest Windows OS version that Apache OOo 3.4(-dev) will be supported

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Ross Gardler
On 29 September 2011 20:16, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 29 September 2011 19:03, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Sep 29,

RE: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-1 Not all committers make contributions to the code base. it is emphasized here in other discussions that committers need not be developers but contributors in some other way. See the discussion about Forums administration, for example. Commit messages are an unreliable indicator as Ross

RE: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Well ... Maybe committers can discretely start using their @Apache email addresses without making huge announcements. ;) Pedro. --- On Thu, 9/29/11, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: -1 Not all committers make contributions to the code base. it is emphasized here in other discussions that

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: +1 but with reference to the list that indicates a committer who has been authorized for this project. That is the one Christian provided, http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. I have added this link the

RE: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Yes, that might work ... [;). -Original Message- From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:49 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: RE: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members Well ... Maybe committers

RE: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
But, evidently, not all of the mentors appear on the ooo committers list. (I found two absent immediately.) That has to be researched further. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:55 To:

RE: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I don't believe there is anything in the information provided to new committers that they should do such a thing. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: How do

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
The entries in bold identify some who might (also) be mentors/ASF Members. Bold identifies ASF members. Not every member listed is a Mentor. I think though you have to be a Member to be a Mentor although I could be wrong about that. You don't need to be a Member to become a Mentor - the

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 29, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I don't believe there is anything in the information provided to new committers that they should do such a thing. I think it was discussed, but then it wasn't mentioned in your docs. I think It would be good to start suggesting it...

Re: [users] Unable to add comment on OpenOffice.org Bugzilla

2011-09-29 Thread TJ Frazier
On 9/29/2011 15:51, Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 29.09.11 21:01, schrieb Dave Fisher: Hi Mark, I suspect that the copy of this email to ooo-dev is caught in moderation. Since I am subscribed I'll forward this. FWIW - the BZ instance at issues.apache.org/ooo is an upgraded and migrated version of

Re: [users] Unable to add comment on OpenOffice.org Bugzilla

2011-09-29 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 29.09.11 21:01, schrieb Dave Fisher: Hi Mark, I suspect that the copy of this email to ooo-dev is caught in moderation. Since I am subscribed I'll forward this. FWIW - the BZ instance at issues.apache.org/ooo is an upgraded and migrated version of the bugzilla that Oracle hosts (which

Re: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-29 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/29/2011 09:16 PM, schrieb Mathias Bauer: Am 29.09.2011 20:17, schrieb Mathias Bauer: On 28.09.2011 00:49, Michael Stahl wrote: On 27.09.2011 22:22, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: What is the oldest Windows OS

RE: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Well, the committer intake process has changed and now the checkpoint where I provide follow-up about them now being activated for the podling (and PPMC if applicable) has sort of disappeared. I will have to figure out how to reconstitute the welcome-wagon process. It won't happen overnight.

Re: [users] Unable to add comment on OpenOffice.org Bugzilla

2011-09-29 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 29.09.11 22:32, schrieb TJ Frazier: On 9/29/2011 15:51, Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 29.09.11 21:01, schrieb Dave Fisher: Hi Mark, I suspect that the copy of this email to ooo-dev is caught in moderation. Since I am subscribed I'll forward this. FWIW - the BZ instance at

Re: Wiki status and freeze date?

2011-09-29 Thread Kay Schenk
Alexandro-- The initial load was sometime in Aug -- I just looked this up but now don't remember the EXACT date, no one has access (old accounts do not work and new ones can't be created as near as I can tell). We are now, with Terry's leaving, JUST now getting back to the wiki

Re: [users] Unable to add comment on OpenOffice.org Bugzilla

2011-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher
Raphael, I think you will need to reply to the OP on us...@openoffice.org as he is not subscribed to ooo-dev and his original email was bounced. Regards, Dave On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 29.09.11 22:32, schrieb TJ Frazier: On 9/29/2011 15:51, Raphael Bircher

Re: [users] Unable to add comment on OpenOffice.org Bugzilla

2011-09-29 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 30.09.11 00:57, schrieb Dave Fisher: Raphael, I think you will need to reply to the OP on us...@openoffice.org as he is not subscribed to ooo-dev and his original email was bounced. I added the users, the mail is in Moderation. Regards, Dave On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Raphael Bircher

Re: Wiki status and freeze date?

2011-09-29 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Alexandro-- The initial load was sometime in Aug -- I just looked this up but now don't remember the EXACT date, no one has access (old accounts do not work and new ones can't be created as near as I can tell). We are

Re: How do we want to announce new Committers/PPMC members

2011-09-29 Thread Ross Gardler
On 29 September 2011 21:15, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: But, evidently, not all of the mentors appear on the ooo committers list.  (I found two absent immediately.)  That has to be researched further. Mentors are not necessarily committers. Committership needs to be

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher
OK, I'll put a request in to Infrastructure. But first let's see if we have a batch of accounts to create. Do any other committers or PPMC members request an Apache Blog account? Regards, Dave On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Dave Fisher

RE: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
A small number of us agreed to be editors for the blog. Now I wonder if that is an empty occupation, no different from being an author? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 17:03 To:

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-29 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 29, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: A small number of us agreed to be editors for the blog. Now I wonder if that is an empty occupation, no different from being an author? Editor/author same thing. You have your id and are permissioned in Roller with Author rights. When

[DISCUSS] Having New Committers also be on the PPMC

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It has been the practice, thus far, that all newly-invited committers are invited to also be on the Podling Project Management Committee (PPMC). Some decline being on the PPMC, some accept, some accept but don't actually show up at the PPMC, etc. A question was raised at the PPMC whether that

RE: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Thanks Dave, That clears up a lot. I see no reason to have the limited rights case. The practice is to post-date the blog entry and allow it to be reviewed before it surfaces, so that should work fine for all authors. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher

Re: [DISCUSS] Having New Committers also be on the PPMC

2011-09-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: It has been the practice, thus far, that all newly-invited committers are invited to also be on the Podling Project Management Committee (PPMC). Some decline being on the PPMC, some accept, some accept but don't

Re: hwpfilter/source/ksc5601.h - header from GNU c library

2011-09-29 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Oliver-Rainer; I looked at the files: the GPL'd file has only two records and the names don't match the ones in the XFree86 file. We shouldn't rename anything in the header, but change the sources instead. It's not difficult because both names appear only on hcode.cpp. cheers, Pedro. --- On

Re: odma.h [was: Re: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license]

2011-09-29 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Indeed the ODMA content provider was never built in a regular build. The project could be built manually, in case someone wanted to test or use it. In fact it never was more than a nice try. As I think I already told on this list in some other thread related to ODMA, over at go-oo we did build