Re: Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-28 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Hi,

Very interesting answer, thanks: 

 
 I say 'potentially' as the developers in the community will make it a
 priority if, and only if, it is clear there is a strong demand for IA2
 and someone leads the work and use of it. So I would encourage you to
 continue your work of letting us know of the need and also suggest you
 guide other users and developers who require IA2 support in AOO  to
 join in the discussion here. A good approach would be to get folks to
 blog about why it is important and we can post links here. That way
 the AOO community will be encouraged to work on ensuring there is an
 open and accessible Office suite available for Windows. In fact there
 may eventually be even more choice for users if AOO becomes the core
 used by other projects, as indeed it has the potential to be.

I will try doing that. But I'd like to mention one problem and several elements 
which make me think I represent an enormous part of users who want IA2 to be 
integrated. The problem is that I have feedbacks essentially from France or 
French-speaking people, and they decided me to be intermediate between 
English-speaking community and them. So, they have difficulties to write here 
directly. The language is a problem for the major part of them.

However, several things make me think there's a large demand:
- In the public administrations in France, where OOo is choosen, we have 
thousands of people who work and who are blind or sight-impaired;
- The workgroup Accessibilité et logiciel libre (A11y and Free software), 
from April (the main French organization which Promote the Free Software in 
France) asked for this evolution. It appeared in our bug tracker (used to 
enable not English-speaking users to report problems so that we forward, as I 
do now). 4 bugs appear about this issue.
- The LibreOffice project expressed the desire to wait for AOOo integration to 
integrate itself IA2 in their utility.
- The problems with OOo are very often denounced on French mailing list of 
blind people (for instance, ALLOS mailing list).
- The CFPSAA, an official enormous organization which defends the blind people 
rights, published, this June, a newsletter where they explained that migrating 
a desktop to OOo was a mistake as it's not accessible (it's a pitty! ). I tried 
answering and communicating about this, but of course if such official 
organization has this approach, it proves the need.
- I met 60 people in France IRL a few weeks ago, to show them what free 
software gives to accessibility. The cain problem where I had to fight was OOo.


Anyway I'll forward your appeal, but I'd like you to know that even if I'm 
alone to write, it's a time and language problem. But thousands of people asked 
me to do that. It's really major, that's why I try speaking directly to the dev 
today. Because when that is fixed, a major limitation will be removed to 
migrating to Free software with NVDA and other assistive technologies. If you 
want some tests, of course tell me. I can test, make other tests, as 
intermediate.

 It's great to hear from Marcus that dev work is under way. It's up to
 us in the accessibility community to 'cheer them on'.
 
 So please do encourage the NVDA community to join in here. I'll ping
 the developers and let them know of your interest and this thread that
 you started.

Ok I'll write to NVDA too.

I stay available,

Best regards,

 Thanks again
 
 1: 
 http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/accessibility/iaccessible2
 
 Steve Lee
 OpenDirective
 
 2011/9/27 Jean-Philippe MENGUAL mengualjean...@free.fr:
  Ok thanks very much for this interesting answer. If you need some
  dialogue with NVDA or Orca (Linux), and if I can help as intermediate,
  no problem, don't hesitate. I follow the situation as I consider it's a
  very important progress to promote better free software in general.
 
  Thanks for your interest.
 
  Regards,
 
  Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
 
 
  Le mercredi 28 septembre 2011 à 00:05 +0200, Marcus (OOo) a écrit :
  Am 09/27/2011 08:58 PM, schrieb Jean-Philippe MENGUAL:
 
  Hi Jean-Philippe,
 
   As ordinary blind user, I work very much to promote OOo and
   accessibility free software for blind people. The current problem is
   that public administrations, in France, choose OOo, but blind people are
 
  thanks a lot for your effort to promote OOo. :-)
 
   complaining, as they consider it's not perfectly accessible with NVDA
   (Free screen reader for Windows). And migrating to Linux isn't always
   easy in a network (active directory features, ...).
  
   However, IBM Symphony works fine. My problem is that's not a really free
   software. Nethertheless, IBM, according I was told, gave to the Apache
   Foundation Iaccessible2, which is the code which enables Symphony to be
   perfectly accessible with NVDA.
 
  That's correct.
 
   Could someone study Iaccessible2 and integrate it in OOo? It'd be great
   if OOo could be accessible with NVDA in the next stable releases

Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-27 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Hi,

As ordinary blind user, I work very much to promote OOo and
accessibility free software for blind people. The current problem is
that public administrations, in France, choose OOo, but blind people are
complaining, as they consider it's not perfectly accessible with NVDA
(Free screen reader for Windows). And migrating to Linux isn't always
easy in a network (active directory features, ...).

However, IBM Symphony works fine. My problem is that's not a really free
software. Nethertheless, IBM, according I was told, gave to the Apache
Foundation Iaccessible2, which is the code which enables Symphony to be
perfectly accessible with NVDA.

Could someone study Iaccessible2 and integrate it in OOo? It'd be great
if OOo could be accessible with NVDA in the next stable releases. As no
developper, I'd appreciate if you could tell me when it's integrated, if
someone accepts to do it.

Thanks very much for your answer.

Regards,

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Re: Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-27 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Ok thanks very much for this interesting answer. If you need some
dialogue with NVDA or Orca (Linux), and if I can help as intermediate,
no problem, don't hesitate. I follow the situation as I consider it's a
very important progress to promote better free software in general. 

Thanks for your interest.

Regards,

Jean-Philippe MENGUAL


Le mercredi 28 septembre 2011 à 00:05 +0200, Marcus (OOo) a écrit :
 Am 09/27/2011 08:58 PM, schrieb Jean-Philippe MENGUAL:
 
 Hi Jean-Philippe,
 
  As ordinary blind user, I work very much to promote OOo and
  accessibility free software for blind people. The current problem is
  that public administrations, in France, choose OOo, but blind people are
 
 thanks a lot for your effort to promote OOo. :-)
 
  complaining, as they consider it's not perfectly accessible with NVDA
  (Free screen reader for Windows). And migrating to Linux isn't always
  easy in a network (active directory features, ...).
 
  However, IBM Symphony works fine. My problem is that's not a really free
  software. Nethertheless, IBM, according I was told, gave to the Apache
  Foundation Iaccessible2, which is the code which enables Symphony to be
  perfectly accessible with NVDA.
 
 That's correct.
 
  Could someone study Iaccessible2 and integrate it in OOo? It'd be great
  if OOo could be accessible with NVDA in the next stable releases. As no
  developper, I'd appreciate if you could tell me when it's integrated, if
  someone accepts to do it.
 
 I don't know if it's already completely arrived or if there are still 
 some things to fix before it can be integrated into the code. However, 
 we are really working on taking advantage of the IA2 technology. Maybe 
 Rob can say more about the current status.
 
 It's very unlikely that it will be part of the first AOO release because 
 of this and nobody knows the side effects that could occur. So, IMHO 
 expect it not for the coming release but for the following one.
 
 HTH
 
 Marcus


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