Re: Bootstrapping a build

2011-06-15 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 6/15/11, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 06:10, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: Moin, there are two things about building OOo that need to be clarified. Currently we use configure to set the build environment. The way we are

Re: Subversion history

2011-06-16 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
While here, on a slightly different topic: Some old promotional demos of SUN's OpenOffice carried a nice set of fonts. Perhaps Oracle may make those available? And if so, I wonder about the license for those: ASL 2.0 would be fine but font licenses is something I doubt anyone, except SIL, has

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-21 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: ... Thanks for looking and thanks for being brave enough to post your opinions ;-). So indeed nothing the LO developers have done has observably improved the overall performance. The great thing the LO developers did is the

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: (5) A header from GNU c library hwpfilter/source/ksc5601.h Are we allowed to use it in the build? I looked this up and it appears to be part of an old version of GNU libiconv. XFree86 also has a copy under a liberal (MIT?)

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hello Mattias; Can you (or any volunteer) please sort the list alphabetically? It appears we depend on two copies of openssl. Pedro.

Re: Sending Wiki Notifications to Mailing Lists

2011-06-23 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Sounds fine to me ... I do like to review the commit archives, even when I don't subscribe there directly. Pedro. --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: ... In light of this conversation I am changing the proposal to this: For both the Community Forum (OOOUSER) and

Re: An svn question

2011-06-23 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Disclaimer: I am no SVN expert but I play a lot with FreeBSD's SVN repository. --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I'm no svn expert, but I hope to find some here. We still have a lot of work in so called child workspaces (in Mercurial they are just an own

Re: RegExp replacement (was Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code)

2011-06-23 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
(Sorry my previous message only went private) --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: (Snipped the irregexp stuff) much better than writing our own ;-). PCRE also has C++ wrappers, and *is* packaged up and delivered as a library. Hmm.. and it's documented:

Re: RegExp replacement (was Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code)

2011-06-23 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... I was talking about the C++ wrappers that are part of PCRE itself. Ah didn't know about those ... no objection at all. FWIW, since irregexp actually replaced PCRE in Chrome I would expect it to be faster but then it also does some

Re: lp_solve replacement (future project)

2011-06-24 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Fri, 6/24/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: From: Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net Subject: Re: lp_solve replacement (future project) To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 2:22 AM Hi Pedro, let me quote Niklas Nebel from the OOo dev list:

Myspell (was Re: An svn question)

2011-06-25 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Just a thought here; It would seem like the way to go about spell checking is to go back to Myspell since it has a license we can use (I know, it's waaay back!). Also, the hunspell dictionaries are backwards compatible with Myspell so some people may not notice the difference. I can't find

Re: Differences between OOO and LibreOffice.

2011-06-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Tue, 6/28/11, Ted Rolle, Jr. ster...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen both. Good, that's what software freedom is about :-). Is LibreOffice a fork of the OOO code? Yes. I don't know which one to choose. This list is not really for comparisons among the many OOo forks. I am personally

Re: ICU update

2011-06-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 6/29/11, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote: ... Hi Pedro, On Tuesday, 2011-06-28 09:43:12 -0700, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: FWIW, ICU 4.8 runs out of memory when building here. How much (real+virtual) memory, which platform and compiler? Well, 2G RAM + 4G swap but I think

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi again; I went through Mathias' list of external source tarballs. The idea is to make sure that most of that stuff was updated in FreeBSD and while doing that I checked the licenses. I found the following licenses missing from the ApacheMigration list in the OOo wiki: Name

Re: Differences between OOO and LibreOffice.

2011-06-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
FWIW; One interesting difference that I see happening in the future wrt LibreOffice is that Apache OpenOffice will be a big consumer of Java stuff. Apache PDFBox looks like a good candidate for inclusion. cheers, Pedro.

Re: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?

2011-06-30 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: ... I can go to JIRA and find the feature list and compare it with Bugzilla, and I can see there are some minor advantages, Please do so :). but I agree that the familiarity of bugzilla is usually lower the learning

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-30 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Kai Ahrens kahr...@apache.org wrote: From: Kai Ahrens kahr...@apache.org Subject: Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 2:47 AM Hi, Am 29.06.2011 23:05

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-30 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ... wrote: ... I think the first Apache release it will be a good opportunity to do all the big API/ABI changes, including this. I think we should also use lucene 3.2, etc.. For my own education... what API we talking about here?

Re: OOO and LibreOffice.

2011-07-04 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
In general I avoid commenting threads like this, as in my POV the licensing differences are not surmountable.. --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: ... As each developer retains ownership of their code it maybe better to ask on the developers list [1].  The SC has no

Re: OOO and LibreOffice.

2011-07-04 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 7/4/11, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: ... Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: In general I avoid commenting threads like this, as in my POV the licensing differences are not surmountable.. It is hard to tell whether 100% of TDF developers insist on copyleft. Certainly

Re: Releasing OOo 3.4 on the old infrastructure

2011-07-04 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Just to make sure we are actually advancing here... 1) Does Oracle-legal have a list of the files we want relicensed? Is there a visible head on our side for this process? 2) Let's decide the JIRA vs. Bugzilla issue voting. (In a different thread). One more shameless plug concerning (2): moving

Re: OOO and LibreOffice.

2011-07-05 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hello ... --- On Tue, 7/5/11, Drini Nosi drini.in...@gmail.com wrote: ... As I read this thread, it makes me a bit sad to see that the community of the OpenSourceOffice is actually splitting in two, and I don't understand why. Corporate interests. Some linux distributions and developers were

Re: fetch-all-cws.sh (was: Building a single Hg repository)

2011-07-05 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
I agree with Mathias .. We are not advancing simply because it's not clear who does what. - Greg made a script to import the Hg stuff ... who will run it? - Matthias made a list, is this what Oracle should relicense, or perhaps we should wait until we merge the resulting SVN branches. - Who

Re: Migration, Bugzilla to JIRA

2011-07-05 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Tue, 7/5/11, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: ... I'd like to explore the technical feasibility of migrating to JIRA. +1 I see this page here describing the migration from JIRA's perspective: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/tour/bugzilla-importer.jsp This appears

Re: fetch-all-cws.sh (was: Building a single Hg repository)

2011-07-05 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Tue, 7/5/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: ... I doubt that this will complicate things too much. It should be bearable. I'm interested to read the opinions of those who favored the get everything into svn at once approach. All the history is valuable to avoid

Re: fetch-all-cws.sh (was: Building a single Hg repository)

2011-07-06 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
during these years to free software. Pedro. --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Andrew Rist wrote: On 7/5/2011 8:53 AM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: I agree with Mathias .. We are not advancing simply because it's not clear who does what. - Greg made a script to import the Hg stuff ... who will run

Re: OOO and LibreOffice.

2011-07-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Thu, 7/7/11, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: ... Hence the desire to see the work that has already been done on LO contributed here, rather than a related-but-different cleanup. All these contributions are hypothetical ... at least until we have a repository of our own. And

Re: Future of OOo

2011-07-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Thu, 7/7/11, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: ... The original OpenOffice.org project is no more and that there are now two projects taking the code forward. Seems easy enough to understand and gives no scope for arguing about who is to blame for what. And uses neither the word

Re: DITA for Doc?

2011-07-09 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Rob: Would the idea be to include the DITA Open Toolkit in OpenOffice or to keep it as an external package? I downloaded the minimal DITA Open Toolkit to explore how to package it for FreeBSD, and it seems like it is meant to be embedded into bigger applications, it also includes some other

Re: Extensions and templates site down

2011-07-12 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Tue, 7/12/11, Jomar Silva homem...@gmail.com wrote: ... On 2011/6/12 19:38 Pedro Giffuni wrote: While this is understandable, it is not good enough. We will have to find an alternative repository and link to it from Apache's website. This is something that can wait though.

LO Changes ...

2011-07-15 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Just thought I'd mention... Looking at the initial LO-dev mail archive there are some nice summaries of their first set of changes and in many cases they include the OOo bugzilla ID: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-October/000311.html

Boost regex ... (was Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code)

2011-07-18 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi again; --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, some more strange files I found in the OOo code: (1) boost/Regex_Experimental.tar.gz Should be unpacked and committed or removed. I know we basically agreed ICU regex is the way to go, however, I just read

Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question

2011-07-18 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 7/18/11, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: ... So, when  we import the Kenai SVN into the Apache SVN then commit history is not  important as we will loose data from February until today. At least,  that's my opinion. FWIW - there is a project cvs2svn that can

Re: Apache CMS Workflow and a Key Question

2011-07-18 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: ... So, all is not necessarily lost - but it does depend on whether you want to reload the SVN repo. I don't know how you thought about CVS but the respective repo is already on SVN. I am confused. Apparently (I am a

Re: Boost regex

2011-07-18 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Eike; --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote: ... Hi Pedro, On Monday, 2011-07-18 07:57:02 -0700, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: (1) boost/Regex_Experimental.tar.gz Should be unpacked and committed or removed. I know we basically agreed ICU regex is the way to go

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

2011-07-18 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hello Mathias; --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I tried to get rid of some copyleft dependencies. As I will leave for vacation on Wednesday, First of all, thanks so much for working on this! I now send my first patch to the list so that others already

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

2011-07-18 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: ... I would like to add a couple more: 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is linux/unix specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. This component is used for the pdf import extension, not for OOo itself. The

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

2011-07-18 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Christian Lohmaier cl...@openoffice.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: 1) xpdf (GPL'd) is a run dependency, this is linux/unix specific. PDFBox may be a replacement. Why would this be linux/unix specific? xpdf

Re: SVN tutorial

2011-07-18 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: ... BTW - I have a TODO on http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html for how to create a patch. OK, I have a question about this -- how to create a patch. Is it really just as simple as running a diff on the

Re: single repository status

2011-07-19 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
FWIW; When merging the branches most of the CWS information will be lost anyways .. won't it? I have seen other projects using subversion that take a snapshot and eventually update stuff from trunk, but when the project is finished and merged back the branch history is not viewable from the

Re: ICU

2011-07-20 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Eike; FWIW, building ICU 4.8 on FreeBSD required a patch for the memory issue I reported in an older thread. This kind of fixes are better handled by distributions .. and certain OO forks already do this. cheers, Pedro. --- On Wed, 7/20/11, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote: ... Hi Javier,

Re: ICU

2011-07-20 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
FWIW, System libraries are covered by exceptions to the GPL and even the FSF have written in a FAQ that those don't taint anything in userland. This does remind me that it's really desirable to be able to build OO with clang: not exactly due to the licensing but for cleanliness and portability.

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

2011-07-22 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Fri, 7/22/11, Malte Timmermann malte.timmerm...@gmx.com wrote: Wrt PDF Import Extension, and similar extensions: Optional extensions should not be part of a regular OOo build or source tree, IMHO. In general, I agree, however a pdf import extension (with OCR) would be popular

Re: A first try to remove some copyleft components from the build

2011-07-23 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
there might be special cases, but we will have to wait until we have a first build to look at that. cheers, Pedro. Malte. On 22.07.2011 17:11, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: --- On Fri, 7/22/11, Malte Timmermannmalte.timmerm...@gmx.com  wrote: Wrt PDF Import Extension, and similar

Re: Converting the repo using mercurial's convert extension (was: OOO340 to svn)

2011-07-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Thu, 7/28/11, Christian Lohmaier wrote: ... [1] Note that with the map, it would also be possible to reuse the old OOo-Subversion repo for the linear commits, after all the hg repo was a conversion from the svn server. This would save quite a bit of time. I like this idea ... if

Re: Converting the repo using mercurial's convert extension

2011-07-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Thu, 7/28/11, Jens-Heiner Rechtien wrote: On 07/28/2011 04:32 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Christian Lohmaier wrote: ... [1] Note that with the map, it would also be possible to reuse the old OOo-Subversion repo for the linear commits, after all the hg

Re: Population of ooo-security

2011-07-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Fri, 7/29/11, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: ... So let me use a analogy to illustrate why I though that was a sarcasm: to me, Rob's paragraph read as: The offer remain open: If any gay person want to marry, we will gladly recognize that marriage, as long as they

Re: Population of ooo-security

2011-07-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Fri, 7/29/11, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: ... ok let me use a concrete example: Let say person A found somewhere in the code something like   printf( s_usingText ); where there is a risk that s_usingText is not sanitized... let's say person A notify this

Re: OpenOffice User Forums (was RE: An introduction and a discussion about ...)

2011-07-31 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Sun, 7/31/11, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: SNIP ... INFRASTRUCTURE RESTRAINTS? However we do this, there is an infrastructure hit, whether supported on a third-party service (requiring fees) or on the Apache.org infrastructure but with the OpenOffice.org domain and

Re: OOO340 to svn

2011-08-01 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 8/1/11, Rob Weir wrote: So where are we with this? The last I heard, the proposal was to store an archival version of the Hg repositories at apache-extras [1] and then to check the tip into SVN. I am pretty sure there was no objection to having a backup in apache extras. The

Re: OOO340 to svn - directory setup

2011-08-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi; --- On Wed, 8/3/11, Mathias Bauer wrote: ... As Stephan wrote, the structure can be changed easily afterwards. Building and packaging should follow dependencies (after all that was the idea of our new build environment) and so the directory structure is of second order importance.

Re: Small question about Apache OpenOffice.org

2011-08-04 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hello Fabien; We are still currently doing the transition from Oracle (Hg) to Apache (SVN), and that is taking a long time because the process requires some care. For the time being you can only get the OpenOffice.org sources from Oracle as always. Entually the code will get here:

Re: Migrating the web forums at user.services.openoffice.org to Apache servers

2011-08-05 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Eric; I agree OOo4Kids and OOolight deserve a space in the forums, I was not aware about them but they are very interesting and it's the kind of things we really want to see stronger with an Apache Project. Something to think about is if they deserve a special forum for themselves. You know

[Repo] SVN ETA? (was Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.)

2011-08-08 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi; I appreciate the tough work that is being done to transfer the Wiki, forums, etc ... but I would've thought the greatest priority was the SVN repository. Any reassuring comment on this? Something like we are working on this but the script will still require a month to complete the conversion

Re: [Repo] SVN ETA? (was Re: Request for comments: Community Wiki Services web page.)

2011-08-10 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 8/10/11, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: ... Let me try to recap the consensus so far. I was on vaction for two weeks, so I was not involved in all discussions. A full conversion hg -  svn for the trunk repo and all cws is considered to be impossible, so all

Re: Converting the repo using mercurial's convert extension

2011-08-11 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
, Pedro. --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Christian Lohmaier cl...@openoffice.org wrote: ... Hi Heiner, *, On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Jens-Heiner Rechtien jhrecht...@web.de wrote: On 07/28/2011 04:32 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Christian Lohmaier wrote: ... [1] Note

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-15 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... We've been discussing for two months now how to get Hg over to SVN. There have been several suggestions for how the CWS's and complete revision history could be migrated over, but little progress has been made.  Either the

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-15 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi again; --- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: The migration to Apache-Extras is the easy part, right?  It is just Hg to Hg. So we maintain the complete revision history that way. Iff apache-extras offers sufficient space for the repository. Actually, I am not very

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-15 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: ... I look at it this way:  What do we need to do to unblock the greatest number of people on the project?  Getting the wiki migrated enables many contributors.  Getting SVN working does the same. Bugzilla is mainly useful once we are

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi again; - Original Message - On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: ... We're only checking in the tip of the trunk into SVN.  The history is going to Apache-Extras, and remaining in Hg.  I don't see how you would use the history to verify a SVN

Re: [Repo][Proposal]After the code is checked in to SVN

2011-08-21 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi; --- On Sun, 8/21/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Soon, I hope, the OOo code will be checked into SVN. After that happens I think we need to coordinate on the next steps.  I know that several of us have code they'd like to check-in, CWS's to integrate, LGPL code to remove, etc. 

Re: OOo Bugzilla data import available for review

2011-08-25 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Thanks Mark and everybody else involved! I do prefer this approach than the stepped transition that was planned previously. Here we know what we got and people don't have to spend time finishing the migration in the background. It does look sane: attachments are still there, which is the main

Re: svn commit: r1162287 - in /incubator/ooo: trunk-orig/ trunk/

2011-08-27 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
FWIW, the code is there since yesterday :) ... Anyone wants the honor of commiting the missing files? Cheers, Pedro.

[code] TODO list (was RE: svn commit: r1162287 - in /incubator/ooo: trunk-orig/ trunk/)

2011-08-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Dennis; Hmm... no need to copy everyone that should already subscribed to the list :-) Perhaps just put up a note on the blog that the code is finally in? Eike did the commit of the missing files so things are being worked on but for now we need to be careful not to break things. Mathias'

Re: [Proposal] Give the BHV publishing house in Kaarst/Germany the permission to use the OpenOffice.org trademark and logo

2011-08-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Sun, 8/28/11, Christian Grobmeier wrote: ... trademarks in your book or article. http://apache.org/foundation/marks/ Nobody has to ask to use the term Apache OpenOffice.org. But it is preferred that the booktitile is Apache OpenOffice.org 3.3 für Ein-und Umsteiger. Actually, I

Re: OOO Test Bugzilla instance

2011-08-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 8/29/11, Rob Weir r...@robweir.com wrote: ... For the production instance, are we preserving the original login/passwords, or will they also be all set to password? I understand, from the comment in JIRA, that people will have to reset them from their email accounts. Pedro.

saxon

2011-08-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Looking a bit into Matthias' list, there's the saxon issue. I looked for a replacement and it would look like the Apache Xalan project could be an alternative: http://xalan.apache.org/ If, for some reason, we want to keep saxon, please note: - In principle it would seem like it's required

Re: EPM

2011-08-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 8/29/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: ... On Linux it always was needed in OOo, either from system or - in case BUILD_EPM=YES - from the ooo module epm. If you want to do it differently, send patches. :-) If I ever work on the build system, it will be very

Re: [code] stuck at offapi on unxlngx6.pro

2011-08-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 8/29/11, Michael Stahl wrote: ... With the cleanup of this license headers we can try to remove the code in one place and reuse it. LCC is not copyleft and in our particular use it may be OK, but some provisions could be problematic:

soltools/cpp replacement options (was Re: [code] stuck at offapi on unxlngx6.pro)

2011-08-29 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
lexer. cheers, Pedro. --- On Mon, 8/29/11, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: ... This is an important question. If we need another preprocessor there are options(1), but we need to now why. cheers, Pedro. (1) http://mcpp.sourceforge.net/

Re: [code] stuck at offapi on unxlngx6.pro

2011-08-30 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Tue, 8/30/11, Stephan Bergmann wrote: ... This is an important question. If we need another preprocessor there are options(1), but we need to now why. At least for idlc, I think the best solution would be to get rid of a C preprocessor completely.  Even if de-facto (if not

Re: Commit messages

2011-08-30 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Tue, 8/30/11, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote: ... (I don't know who wrote this ... ) I'd like to see commit log/messages containing the number of fixed issue referenced and no commit messages without that number. So people would not be allowed to improve things without first

Re: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ is now live

2011-08-31 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
I think it works fine, perhaps Ray got confused with the infra JIRA, which, of course, manages the infrastructure for all projects. Not that it matters too much, but ... Do we have a bugzilla template expert? It would be good if we could make it look like the previous one. Perhaps we can even

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

2011-09-01 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
While here, Can Apache projects rely on Mozilla's nss (MPL)? I looked for alternatives but I only found the java based Bouncy Castle: http://www.bouncycastle.org/ cheers, Pedro. --- On Thu, 9/1/11, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: From: Dennis E. Hamilton

OpenOffice most annoying bugs

2011-09-02 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi; I went through the early LibreOffice archives checking which issues from our database they considered for inclusion. I have to say it was a GREAT idea to start from the tip of the Hg development tree as most fixes already appear closed (applied or integrated to a CWS). The following 24 open

Re: OpenOffice most annoying bugs

2011-09-02 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Fri, 9/2/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Is it worth contacting the authors of these dictionaries to see if they would consider giving it a license we can use?  My standard boilerplate reply was: Please note that we will not receive contributions under copyleft licenses

Re: Fwd: [users] Re: Languages

2011-09-02 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Dale; With due respect to Italy's cultural richness (which I so much admire being italian myself but not only because of that), Neapolitan is classified as a dialect, not a language, for good reasons. Compared to standard italian you use the same character set and gramatical rules.

Re: OpenOffice most annoying bugs

2011-09-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Sat, 9/3/11, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: --- On Fri, 9/2/11, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org  wrote: Is it worth contacting the authors of these dictionaries to see if they would consider giving it a license we can use? Simply +1. No need to vote.. just do it (TM).

Re: OpenOffice most annoying bugs

2011-09-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
to OpenOffice that would now see that their are efforts better appreciated elsewhere. It's just 24 bugs with patches: we can do them all before the next release (likely to happen next year). cheers, Pedro. --- On Sat, 9/3/11, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 09/03/2011 04:39 AM, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni: Hi

Re: OpenOffice most annoying bugs

2011-09-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Sat, 9/3/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: Hi Marcus; The exact flag in bugzilla is 3.4_release_blocker. Not including *ALL* these 24 bugs for the next release would be like saying to our contributors that we

Re: Fwd: [users] Re: Languages

2011-09-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: Neapolitan is classified as a dialect, not a language, for good reasons. It's in ISO 639-2 so it's a language, and it's distinct from Italian. Among the local languages spoken in Italy, we already fully support the four

Re: Fwd: [users] Re: Languages

2011-09-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi; --- On Sat, 9/3/11, Dale Erwin d...@casaerwin.org wrote: ... Spoken like a true northern Italian bigot... with all due respect. Please note I did not call you a northern Italian bigot... I said you speak like one.  Maybe you are just misinformed. I should've thought better before

Re: OpenOffice most annoying bugs

2011-09-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Sat, 9/3/11, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: ... Only because a patch it's included in LibO we should not include it automaticly here. There are many reasons to not include a pach. - Lisence Problems - The Patch is not compatible with other Operating system. - The patch is

Re: OpenOffice most annoying bugs

2011-09-04 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Sun, 9/4/11, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: ... Example 1: - A posting in LO mailinglist from Sept 2010 says: Creating a 'bug' saw no action in 3 years Here is hoping that posting the patch to this new project will :-) (There goes one developer that will probably

Re: OpenOffice most annoying bugs

2011-09-04 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Sun, 9/4/11, Marcus (OOo) wrote: ... As addition: It's also about code quality and stability. I have never said the contrary. Currently we have already a (relative) stable code with the released OOo 3.4 Beta. So, it would be IMHO not clever to through in all the new code from

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

2011-09-04 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Ahh.. found it! The problem is solved in section 5 of the Apache License: ___ 5. Submission of Contributions. Unless You explicitly state otherwise, any Contribution intentionally submitted for inclusion in the Work by You to the Licensor shall be under the terms and conditions of this

Re: Status of existing OOo user guides

2011-09-05 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Mon, 9/5/11, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: ... We have established that relicensing the existing OOo user guides (which are licensed CC-BY) to the Apache license is not practical. Does this mean, as Rob has suggested, that these guides *cannot* be part of the official

Re: Status of existing OOo user guides

2011-09-05 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Jean; Continuing on the topic of my general ignorance ... --- On Mon, 9/5/11, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: ... It's not clear to me that the user guides produced by ODFAuthors are in fact official documentation even though they are made available as ODT and PDF through the OOo

Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)

2011-09-05 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hmm ... It looks like I missed where the decision to use MediaWiki and deprecate confluence was taken. I guess it was arranged with infra as long as MW is up to date and the extensions are documented. I am not complaining though: it sounds like lazy consensus in action plus we can always change

Re: [code][repo] Integration of CWSs

2011-09-06 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hello Eike; From what I discussed with Rob there is no objection on his side wrt to integrating the CWS'. I was waiting for the FreeBSD port to go through before pushing this further, but in general the idea here is that lazy consensus applies: no one objected so the issue is left for those that

Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)

2011-09-06 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
the DNS entries? In my mind, if there is already a lot of content on the MW and the Apache Foundation allows us to continue to use it, why not? On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

2011-09-06 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Tue, 9/6/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: So I don't think we can give an answer set in stone.  Again, section 5 of the Apache License is clear enough. Pedro.

Re: [legal] ICLA paragraph 7

2011-09-06 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Tue, 9/6/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: So I don't think we can give an answer set in stone. Again, section 5 of the Apache License is clear enough

Re: [DISCUSS] Announcing Apache ooo Bugzilla on OpenOffice.org Lists

2011-09-06 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
I made a call for this before but maybe it was lost: Do we have a bugzilla UI expert here? I have just learned that indeed the templates for the older bugzilla are available. cheers, Pedro.

Re: [DISCUSS] Is it worth looking at Confluence Wiki Again?

2011-09-06 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hello; --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Pedro has already gone over to check with Infrastructure about doing a test. ... Regards, Dave Yes, here is the post I sent to the infrastructure guys. I guess they have the MW data and the confluence know-how but it

Fwd: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates

2011-09-06 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
(This just required a new subject header) Hi; As you know the bugzilla database is working already (very well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were not brought in due to the extremely outdated version (3.2.10) the old site was running. Apparently it is not a difficult task and it

Re: Status of existing OOo user guides

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 9/7/11, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 06/09/11 05:34, Jean Weber a écrit : Hi Jean, all, I am afraid we must still do this. Perhaps it's easier to find the people that oppose .. Can we legally make a call to everyone that opposes the change to speak up before a

Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
to it. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: (This just required a new subject header) Hi; As you know the bugzilla database is working already (very well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were not brought in due to the extremely outdated version (3.2.10

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
FWIW, The external sources include a lot of stuff that is outdated and there may even be security risks involved. I think I posted a list of outdated stuff before and on FreeBSD I made sure we carry natively the latest versions (with some care for compatibility). Also there's the issue that was

Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
. Pedro. --- On Wed, 9/7/11, Reizinger Zoltán zreizin...@hdsnet.hu wrote: 2011.09.07. 18:10 keltezéssel, Pedro F. Giffuni írta: Great! Thanks to Matt!! One thing I didn't mention and that may be interesting for international users is that the new bugzilla can be customized for other

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