Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
Hi, On 2012-03-23, at 12:03 , Kay Schenk wrote: On 03/21/2012 07:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. -Rob This sounds fine with me. Yes, we should state our privacy policy on use, and at some point, if you do produce a public report, maybe nix IP addresses if that's a concern. I think nixing IP addresses is a necessity, if one were to publish this data, as is informing the downloader of the privacy issues. FWIW, we used to use several means to track downloads of the binaries. None was particularly great and none satisfied the desires of corporate marketing. And all made some in the corporate hierarchy uncomfortable, if only because a download of a binary is hardly the same as a contribution to source. We used Google Analytics but also, as was then called, Omniture. Selected data were published in graphical form to the services wiki. In addition, more or less from the start, I published spreadsheets of downloads, and particularized it according to language but not region. (I also listed OS of version downloaded.) There were many problems to these spreadsheets, as I noted at http://stats.openoffice.org/, not least of which was spurious duplication and misleading numeration. What I always desired was a mechanism by which a successful download could call home, thus supplying rather useful information. In the end, a version of just this was indeed done, via update calls, extensions, etc. However, there was no direct insertion of such a mechanism. If we were ever to do that, I would argue that we do need then to inform any would-be downloader of the privacy issues. -louis PS Roberto asked me about the old data and if it a) was extant and b) reflected geolocation. Answers: It was not extant, and I didn't keep the raw data. (I could probably find it stuffed into some archive, but why? As I pointed out to Roberto, the ODF Alliance information regarding ODF uptake is actually a better indicator, as most ODF implementations they track were or are based on OOo.)
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On 2012-03-23, at 12:03 , Kay Schenk wrote: On 03/21/2012 07:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. -Rob This sounds fine with me. Yes, we should state our privacy policy on use, and at some point, if you do produce a public report, maybe nix IP addresses if that's a concern. I think nixing IP addresses is a necessity, if one were to publish this data, as is informing the downloader of the privacy issues. This part is really easy, since Google Analytics does not provide us with IP addresses. It is giving us aggregate information, not per-user information. FWIW, we used to use several means to track downloads of the binaries. None was particularly great and none satisfied the desires of corporate marketing. And all made some in the corporate hierarchy uncomfortable, if only because a download of a binary is hardly the same as a contribution to source. We used Google Analytics but also, as was then called, Omniture. Selected data were published in graphical form to the services wiki. In addition, more or less from the start, I published spreadsheets of downloads, and particularized it according to language but not region. (I also listed OS of version downloaded.) There were many problems to these spreadsheets, as I noted at http://stats.openoffice.org/, not least of which was spurious duplication and misleading numeration. What I always desired was a mechanism by which a successful download could call home, thus supplying rather useful information. In the end, a version of just this was indeed done, via update calls, extensions, etc. However, there was no direct insertion of such a mechanism. If we were ever to do that, I would argue that we do need then to inform any would-be downloader of the privacy issues. -louis PS Roberto asked me about the old data and if it a) was extant and b) reflected geolocation. Answers: It was not extant, and I didn't keep the raw data. (I could probably find it stuffed into some archive, but why? As I pointed out to Roberto, the ODF Alliance information regarding ODF uptake is actually a better indicator, as most ODF implementations they track were or are based on OOo.)
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 10:40 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On 2012-03-23, at 12:03 , Kay Schenk wrote: On 03/21/2012 07:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. -Rob This sounds fine with me. Yes, we should state our privacy policy on use, and at some point, if you do produce a public report, maybe nix IP addresses if that's a concern. I think nixing IP addresses is a necessity, if one were to publish this data, as is informing the downloader of the privacy issues. This part is really easy, since Google Analytics does not provide us with IP addresses. It is giving us aggregate information, not per-user information. FWIW, we used to use several means to track downloads of the binaries. None was particularly great and none satisfied the desires of corporate marketing. And all made some in the corporate hierarchy uncomfortable, if only because a download of a binary is hardly the same as a contribution to source. We used Google Analytics but also, as was then called, Omniture. Selected data were published in graphical form to the services wiki. In addition, more or less from the start, I published spreadsheets of downloads, and particularized it according to language but not region. (I also listed OS of version downloaded.) There were many problems to these spreadsheets, as I noted at http://stats.openoffice.org/, not least of which was spurious duplication and misleading numeration. What I always desired was a mechanism by which a successful download could call home, thus supplying rather useful information. In the end, a version of just this was indeed done, via update calls, extensions, etc. However, there was no direct insertion of such a mechanism. If we were ever to do that, I would argue that we do need then to inform any would-be downloader of the privacy issues. -louis PS Roberto asked me about the old data and if it a) was extant and b) reflected geolocation. Answers: It was not extant, and I didn't keep the raw data. (I could probably find it stuffed into some archive, but why? As I pointed out to Roberto, the ODF Alliance information regarding ODF uptake is actually a better indicator, as most ODF implementations they track were or are based on OOo.) Howdy Louis, Kay, Rob, et al I've certainly delayed this long enough, longer then my intent in fact. There is no real question that analytics are important, Google is likely the fastest and easiest road to acquiring them, I suppose. I'm glad that Louis added some historic view to the subject, it might be worth noting that in the case of the Omniture data gathering campaign individual site users could opt out. The real real question is access IMO, Louis also broached the subject of his employer when he uses the phrase, the desires of corporate marketing. Historically of course, SUN or Oracle, the analytics where the purview of the corporate owner. With Apache OpenOffice there of course is no corporate owner, analytics are then a resource of the Apache Software Foundation and from this flows, I would say, to the (P)PMC. This distinction I would submit means that the full analytics are not available to any specific employer of someone volunteering their time to the communal effort within AOO. However, another way to look at that would be that the analytics are available to all PPMC members. Of course as Rob points out, with Google this requires access to a specific account, so it would make sense that individual PPMC would need to request full access. I just want to emphasize that whomever is maintaining the Google account is doing so as a steward for the entire Apache OpenOffice (P)PMC, at least this is how I see it. Otherwise, it would make sense with regards to public access to not look much beyond what basic charting was available in the past, but to at least shot for building a system to deliver that. So, it seems everyone is ok with this and I certainly don't want to deter it anylonger - it's a +1 from me now. @Rob - if I can help with generating reports, let me know. //drew
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
Note: httpd server logs are available on people.apache.org under /x1/logarchive/eosnew/www/ Up until recently ooo-site.apache.org was the line prefix for www.openoffice.org, but I've reconfigured things so www.openoffice.org is the right line prefix for relevant logfile entries. HTH From: drew d...@baseanswers.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 10:40 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On 2012-03-23, at 12:03 , Kay Schenk wrote: On 03/21/2012 07:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. -Rob This sounds fine with me. Yes, we should state our privacy policy on use, and at some point, if you do produce a public report, maybe nix IP addresses if that's a concern. I think nixing IP addresses is a necessity, if one were to publish this data, as is informing the downloader of the privacy issues. This part is really easy, since Google Analytics does not provide us with IP addresses. It is giving us aggregate information, not per-user information. FWIW, we used to use several means to track downloads of the binaries. None was particularly great and none satisfied the desires of corporate marketing. And all made some in the corporate hierarchy uncomfortable, if only because a download of a binary is hardly the same as a contribution to source. We used Google Analytics but also, as was then called, Omniture. Selected data were published in graphical form to the services wiki. In addition, more or less from the start, I published spreadsheets of downloads, and particularized it according to language but not region. (I also listed OS of version downloaded.) There were many problems to these spreadsheets, as I noted at http://stats.openoffice.org/, not least of which was spurious duplication and misleading numeration. What I always desired was a mechanism by which a successful download could call home, thus supplying rather useful information. In the end, a version of just this was indeed done, via update calls, extensions, etc. However, there was no direct insertion of such a mechanism. If we were ever to do that, I would argue that we do need then to inform any would-be downloader of the privacy issues. -louis PS Roberto asked me about the old data and if it a) was extant and b) reflected geolocation. Answers: It was not extant, and I didn't keep the raw data. (I could probably find it stuffed into some archive, but why? As I pointed out to Roberto, the ODF Alliance information regarding ODF uptake is actually a better indicator, as most ODF implementations they track were or are based on OOo.) Howdy Louis, Kay, Rob, et al I've certainly delayed this long enough, longer then my intent in fact. There is no real question that analytics are important, Google is likely the fastest and easiest road to acquiring them, I suppose. I'm glad that Louis added some historic view to the subject, it might be worth noting that in the case of the Omniture data gathering campaign individual site users could opt out. The real real question is access IMO, Louis also broached the subject of his employer when he uses the phrase, the desires of corporate marketing. Historically of course, SUN or Oracle, the analytics where the purview of the corporate owner. With Apache OpenOffice there of course is no corporate owner, analytics are then a resource of the Apache Software Foundation and from this flows, I would say, to the (P)PMC. This distinction I would submit means that the full analytics are not available to any specific employer of someone volunteering their time to the communal effort within AOO. However, another way to look at that would be that the analytics are available to all PPMC members. Of course as Rob points out, with Google this requires access to a specific account, so it would make sense that individual PPMC would need to request full access. I just want to emphasize that whomever is maintaining the Google account is doing so as a steward for the entire Apache OpenOffice (P)PMC, at least this is how I see it. Otherwise, it would make sense with regards to public access to not look much beyond what basic
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 2:46 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 10:40 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2012-03-23, at 12:03 , Kay Schenk wrote: On 03/21/2012 07:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. -Rob This sounds fine with me. Yes, we should state our privacy policy on use, and at some point, if you do produce a public report, maybe nix IP addresses if that's a concern. I think nixing IP addresses is a necessity, if one were to publish this data, as is informing the downloader of the privacy issues. This part is really easy, since Google Analytics does not provide us with IP addresses. It is giving us aggregate information, not per-user information. FWIW, we used to use several means to track downloads of the binaries. None was particularly great and none satisfied the desires of corporate marketing. And all made some in the corporate hierarchy uncomfortable, if only because a download of a binary is hardly the same as a contribution to source. We used Google Analytics but also, as was then called, Omniture. Selected data were published in graphical form to the services wiki. In addition, more or less from the start, I published spreadsheets of downloads, and particularized it according to language but not region. (I also listed OS of version downloaded.) There were many problems to these spreadsheets, as I noted at http://stats.openoffice.org/, not least of which was spurious duplication and misleading numeration. What I always desired was a mechanism by which a successful download could call home, thus supplying rather useful information. In the end, a version of just this was indeed done, via update calls, extensions, etc. However, there was no direct insertion of such a mechanism. If we were ever to do that, I would argue that we do need then to inform any would-be downloader of the privacy issues. -louis PS Roberto asked me about the old data and if it a) was extant and b) reflected geolocation. Answers: It was not extant, and I didn't keep the raw data. (I could probably find it stuffed into some archive, but why? As I pointed out to Roberto, the ODF Alliance information regarding ODF uptake is actually a better indicator, as most ODF implementations they track were or are based on OOo.) Howdy Louis, Kay, Rob, et al I've certainly delayed this long enough, longer then my intent in fact. There is no real question that analytics are important, Google is likely the fastest and easiest road to acquiring them, I suppose. I'm glad that Louis added some historic view to the subject, it might be worth noting that in the case of the Omniture data gathering campaign individual site users could opt out. The real real question is access IMO, Louis also broached the subject of his employer when he uses the phrase, the desires of corporate marketing. Historically of course, SUN or Oracle, the analytics where the purview of the corporate owner. With Apache OpenOffice there of course is no corporate owner, analytics are then a resource of the Apache Software Foundation and from this flows, I would say, to the (P)PMC. Or the other way around. I'm not sure the ASF claims primacy over the PMC in regards to data ownership. This distinction I would submit means that the full analytics are not available to any specific employer of someone volunteering their time to the communal effort within AOO. Another way of saying this would be to agree that the information is treated as sensitive and it is not shared beyond the PMC except by agreement, e.g., via lazy consensus. This would include sharing with employers, but also sharing with other open source projects, etc. However, another way to look at that would be that the analytics are available to all PPMC members. Of course as Rob points out, with Google this requires access to a specific account, so it would make sense that individual PPMC would need to request full access. This is similar to how we treated other external sites that are related to the project. For example, the Ohloh page allows multiple managers. Anyone on the PPMC who is interested in helping manage it is
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 07:38 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 22:23 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Howdy Rob The data collected would be available to the public or? We could certainly run periodic reports and make them public. There is nothing that prevents us from doing that. But GA itself is account based, so anyone with direct access requires an email address/password. But they do allow multiple users, so one option would be to add PMC members to the account on request. Hi Rob Ok - but would like to see us decide how the data will be used and disseminated prior to setting this up. -1 on the request for the moment then. Thanks, //drew
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:42 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 07:38 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 22:23 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Howdy Rob The data collected would be available to the public or? We could certainly run periodic reports and make them public. There is nothing that prevents us from doing that. But GA itself is account based, so anyone with direct access requires an email address/password. But they do allow multiple users, so one option would be to add PMC members to the account on request. Hi Rob Ok - but would like to see us decide how the data will be used and disseminated prior to setting this up. -1 on the request for the moment then. So what is your exact objection to run periodic reports and make them public? -Rob Thanks, //drew
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:43 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:42 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 07:38 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 22:23 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Howdy Rob The data collected would be available to the public or? We could certainly run periodic reports and make them public. There is nothing that prevents us from doing that. But GA itself is account based, so anyone with direct access requires an email address/password. But they do allow multiple users, so one option would be to add PMC members to the account on request. Hi Rob Ok - but would like to see us decide how the data will be used and disseminated prior to setting this up. -1 on the request for the moment then. So what is your exact objection to run periodic reports and make them public? None really - I would just like to cover a few things prior to launch and right now I need to focus on a couple of other tasks - given the way you worded the first request with a reference to lazy consensus and invoking a clock doesn't leave much wiggle room... so I figure it cuts both ways and I'm trying to turn off the clock for another day, two tops. I'll do my best to come back to this today. Is that OK with you. -Rob Thanks, //drew
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:42 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 07:38 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 22:23 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Howdy Rob The data collected would be available to the public or? We could certainly run periodic reports and make them public. There is nothing that prevents us from doing that. But GA itself is account based, so anyone with direct access requires an email address/password. But they do allow multiple users, so one option would be to add PMC members to the account on request. Hi Rob Ok - but would like to see us decide how the data will be used and disseminated prior to setting this up. -1 on the request for the moment then. So what is your exact objection to run periodic reports and make them public? In other words, look at the typical way we do things at Apache. We check in code, make it public and put few restrictions on how it can be used. That is what we do. So I assume any data we make public is similarly made available for use without restriction. And since we work transparently, there should be little or no data that we (PPMC) would keep private. There is not a confidentiality concern, since GA does not track information at a per-user basis. So we don't have access to any confidential/personal data. So I'd be interesting in knowing what exactly your concern is, e.g., an example of a GA report that we should not disseminate, or a report that we could disseminate, but with restrictions. It might be easiest to exclude areas that you see as problematic. -Rob -Rob Thanks, //drew
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:55 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:43 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:42 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 07:38 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 22:23 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Howdy Rob The data collected would be available to the public or? We could certainly run periodic reports and make them public. There is nothing that prevents us from doing that. But GA itself is account based, so anyone with direct access requires an email address/password. But they do allow multiple users, so one option would be to add PMC members to the account on request. Hi Rob Ok - but would like to see us decide how the data will be used and disseminated prior to setting this up. -1 on the request for the moment then. So what is your exact objection to run periodic reports and make them public? None really - I would just like to cover a few things prior to launch and right now I need to focus on a couple of other tasks - given the way you worded the first request with a reference to lazy consensus and invoking a clock doesn't leave much wiggle room... so I figure it cuts both ways and I'm trying to turn off the clock for another day, two tops. I'll do my best to come back to this today. While we removed GA from both AOO Extensions and Templates sites as required, I can actually monitor downloads happening at SourceForge site, though. For example, for Extensions these are the Top Countries by Downloads. 1. United States 2. Germany 3. France 4. Italy 5. Japan 6. Spain 7. Russia 8. UK 9. Brazil 10. Poland % Operative Systems. 1. Windows82.84% 2. Linux 9.97% 3. Macintosh 7.19% As anticipated in another thread, we plan to inform both Extensions and Templates users about top downloads and alike. Getting back to the original discussion, my opinion is that if we could use GA for downloads this would turn useful in many respects, ranging from marketing to capacity planning. Roberto Is that OK with you. -Rob Thanks, //drew This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 09:02 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:55 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:43 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:42 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 07:38 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 22:23 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Howdy Rob The data collected would be available to the public or? We could certainly run periodic reports and make them public. There is nothing that prevents us from doing that. But GA itself is account based, so anyone with direct access requires an email address/password. But they do allow multiple users, so one option would be to add PMC members to the account on request. Hi Rob Ok - but would like to see us decide how the data will be used and disseminated prior to setting this up. -1 on the request for the moment then. So what is your exact objection to run periodic reports and make them public? None really - I would just like to cover a few things prior to launch and right now I need to focus on a couple of other tasks - given the way you worded the first request with a reference to lazy consensus and invoking a clock doesn't leave much wiggle room... so I figure it cuts both ways and I'm trying to turn off the clock for another day, two tops. I'll do my best to come back to this today. Is that OK with you. OK. That is fine. But remember, one reason we're trying to collect this info is for mirror planning, to give SourceForge some info they were seeking. So this is 3.4-related as well. If you want, we could just go ahead with instrumentation of the download page, for that purpose, and hold with that for now. I understand - I'll do my level best to come back to this topic before COB (your/our time) today. Prep work is of course reasonable. Best wishes, //drew
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On 03/21/2012 07:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. -Rob This sounds fine with me. Yes, we should state our privacy policy on use, and at some point, if you do produce a public report, maybe nix IP addresses if that's a concern. -- MzK Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 22:23 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Howdy Rob The data collected would be available to the public or? We could certainly run periodic reports and make them public. There is nothing that prevents us from doing that. But GA itself is account based, so anyone with direct access requires an email address/password. But they do allow multiple users, so one option would be to add PMC members to the account on request. -Rob Thanks, //drew
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Hi Rob, As long as it's accompanied by a link to a privacy policy, you should be fine. Jackrabbit's[1] is, I think, the canonical example around here... Thanks, --tim [1] - http://jackrabbit.apache.org/privacy-policy.html
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Tim Williams wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Hi Rob, As long as it's accompanied by a link to a privacy policy, you should be fine. Jackrabbit's[1] is, I think, the canonical example around here... I would consider putting this on these pages. (1) www.openoffice.org/download/index.html (the actual url) (2) The user contributing page that is displayed in parallel with the click to download. (3) On the noregistration page we are discussing. Regards, Dave Thanks, --tim [1] - http://jackrabbit.apache.org/privacy-policy.html
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 22:28 -0400, Tim Williams wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Hi Rob, As long as it's accompanied by a link to a privacy policy, you should be fine. Jackrabbit's[1] is, I think, the canonical example around here... Thanks, Howdy tim Right, used Jackrabbit as the template for this page https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/website-privacy-policy-draft just add back the part regarding GA, assuming we add GA to the page. //drew [1] - http://jackrabbit.apache.org/privacy-policy.html
Re: Google Analytics on download.openoffice.org
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 22:23 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to enable Google Analytics on our download page. This would allow us to collect some important data, such as the geographical distribution of download requests. This information has been sought for 3.4 mirror distribution planning. It can also provide continuity of our download statistics which we would otherwise lose when moving off of MirrorBrain. Of course, if some else is willing to implement an alternative way of collecting this info, then I'd love it hear it. But I think GA is the most direct method. Lazy consensus, 72 hours, etc. Howdy Rob The data collected would be available to the public or? Thanks, //drew
