Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
On Aug 30, 2012, at 13:26 , Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: Just an FYI about IRC, there are plenty of people who don't participate in the community meetings because it is on IRC too. Not that I'm lobbying at this time to change the format (as I've already addressed) but I think IRC is a big leap for many people (despite how incredibly easy and straight-forward it seems to all you developers out there!) Every group is going to have a different level of comfort with different communciation methods. I just wanted to clarify that at least for me the issue is not with a learning curve for IRC. It was different, but definitely not a leap in technological terms -- find a client, install, run, #Evergreen, type words, Enter. Not a big deal. I just think it is not as convenient and not as efficient as other forms of distance communication for groups that exist. However, IRC is a fairly safe common denominator in terms of cost and prerequisites, as it does not require any extra hardware or costs beyond a workstation with internet access. It is true that a WebEx style meeting might reach the broadest range of community members. Maybe Skype or Google HangOut too. It is probably worth looking into what else is out there that could work well, in terms of potential usability/accessibility, low cost of entry, etc. That would be a different topic on it's own. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Thomas Berezansky tsb...@mvlc.org wrote: I question how those who can't participate via IRC (assuming that is a goal here) and those who can't participate via the conference call will interact with each other. Not that I am sure I would be attending either way, but I am much more likely to participate in IRC than on a conference call. Thomas Berezansky Merrimack Valley Library Consortium Quoting Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? I don't like the idea, but I don't necessarily object. Worth trying new things and learning from the results. :) -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
I confirm that it is indeed my opinion and not of an impersonator who misused my email account to express someone else's opinion. The fact that it is an opinion is not by itself a measure of it's validity as could be measured by certain criteria, for example, speed of communication, ability to use intonation, instant feedback. Of course, these may or may not be important depending on other objectives, e.g., having a precise written record of all communication or availability of office settings to participants that permit voice communication without being a nuisance. Am I wrong? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E On Aug 30, 2012, at 16:59 , Justin Hopkins wrote: On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu wrote: When it comes to interpersonal communication, online chat is a blunt instrument inferior to using voice for a number of natural reasons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c Cheers, Justin Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:19 , Ben Shum wrote: Historically, the Community Meeting grew out of a need to disseminate information from various groups and committees to a larger group of people and it started as an extension of the Developer meetings conducted regularly in IRC. There was some discussion in those early days about the format for community meetings and whether we should continue to use IRC or find alternatives. I don't recall anybody really suggesting or volunteering alternatives at the time, but it never hurts to refresh the discussion. So I'm inclined to support trying new approaches too. Ben and Thomas, you both raise valid points, and Ben, thank you, as always for a little bit of a historical perspective. With my question, I assumed a complementary use of conference call and IRC chat where all participants would be using both. There is not a good immediate solution I can think of for bridging the call-only with IRC-only participants, if people can't do both simultaneously. I would say that's enough reason not to attempt it at this time. Some logistical concerns with conference call though: Looking back and doing a quick head count of people who identified themselves during the last community meetings, we tend to have at least 12-20 participants (possibly more lurking). Are individuals or organizations in the community able to volunteer access to a conference call line large enough to support that many (or more) simultaneous participants? Do we have to use some sort of professional meeting tool like WebEx or similar? Will the volunteers who setup the conference line be tasked to also coordinate the running of the meeting, to avoid having everybody talking at once, etc.? I will check with our office to see what sorts of numbers our system could handle, should we decide in the future to give it a try. Crowding was exactly a concern I had for using IRC -- it seems to get a bit chaotic when many people are present. Perhaps the same problem would exist on a conference call, although in my experience long pauses tend occur more frequently than instances of multiple people trying to speak all at once. I think Thomas also raises a good point about participant cross communication issues with phone/IRC. So bridging that gap would need to be necessary as well. Yes, I think unless all participants can use both, conference call+IRC is not the ultimate combo, it would be a disconnected experience for some. -- Ben On 08/30/2012 12:24 PM, Thomas Berezansky wrote: I question how those who can't participate via IRC (assuming that is a goal here) and those who can't participate via the conference call will interact with each other. Not that I am sure I would be attending either way, but I am much more likely to participate in IRC than on a conference call. Thomas Berezansky Merrimack Valley Library Consortium Quoting Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? I don't like the idea, but I don't necessarily object. Worth trying new things and learning from the results. :) -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org -- Benjamin Shum Open Source Software Coordinator Bibliomation, Inc. 32 Crest Road Middlebury, CT 06762 203-577-4070, ext. 113 Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Of course, these may or may not be important depending on other objectives, Or considerations, such as some of us techie introverts stuttering, get tongue-tied, or generally suffering from anxiety when talking to people over the phone. :) But it is a community meeting, not a developer meeting. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:22 , Jason Etheridge wrote: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? I don't like the idea, but I don't necessarily object. Worth trying new things and learning from the results. :) I tend to agree with this type of approach in general, especially when there is no risk involved ;) Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? On Aug 21, 2012, at 20:11 , Galen Charlton wrote: Hi, The near-consensus date for the next community meeting is Friday, 14 September 2012. The meeting will be held at 17:00 UTC+0 (i.e., 1 p.m. US EDT) in the #evergreen IRC channel on Freenode. The agenda can be found at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=community:meetings:2012-09 If you would like to add an item to the agenda, please edit that wiki page or send me your agenda item. My thanks to all who participated in the Doodle poll. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton Director of Support and Implementation Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts email: g...@esilibrary.com direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 skype: gmcharlt web:http://www.esilibrary.com Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
great idea. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lori Bowen Ayre // Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group Oversight Board Communications Committee / Evergreen (707) 763-6869 // lori.a...@galecia.com Availability: http://tungle.me/lori.ayre lori.a...@galecia.comSpecializing in open source ILS solutions, RFID, filtering, workflow optimization, and materials handling =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu wrote: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? On Aug 21, 2012, at 20:11 , Galen Charlton wrote: Hi, The near-consensus date for the next community meeting is Friday, 14 September 2012. The meeting will be held at 17:00 UTC+0 (i.e., 1 p.m. US EDT) in the #evergreen IRC channel on Freenode. The agenda can be found at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=community:meetings:2012-09 If you would like to add an item to the agenda, please edit that wiki page or send me your agenda item. My thanks to all who participated in the Doodle poll. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton Director of Support and Implementation Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts email: g...@esilibrary.com direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 skype: gmcharlt web:http://www.esilibrary.com Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? I don't like the idea, but I don't necessarily object. Worth trying new things and learning from the results. :) -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
I question how those who can't participate via IRC (assuming that is a goal here) and those who can't participate via the conference call will interact with each other. Not that I am sure I would be attending either way, but I am much more likely to participate in IRC than on a conference call. Thomas Berezansky Merrimack Valley Library Consortium Quoting Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? I don't like the idea, but I don't necessarily object. Worth trying new things and learning from the results. :) -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Are we talking about having the community meeting on IRC and a conference call? I'd rather not go that route. We have been doing well with IRC meetings for the last few years and now with the meetbot it's a lot more efficient in keeping notes. I actually would like future web team meetings to be on IRC. It brings more transparency to the discussions and as I mentioned it's easier to keep meeting minutes. -1 on having community meetings on conference calls from me. Cheers On 08/30/2012 12:17 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: great idea. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lori Bowen Ayre // Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group Oversight Board Communications Committee / Evergreen (707) 763-6869 // lori.a...@galecia.com mailto:lori.a...@galecia.com Availability: http://tungle.me/lori.ayre http://tungle.me/lori.ayre mailto:lori.a...@galecia.comSpecializing in open source ILS solutions, RFID, filtering, workflow optimization, and materials handling =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu mailto:alexey.la...@mnsu.edu wrote: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? On Aug 21, 2012, at 20:11 , Galen Charlton wrote: Hi, The near-consensus date for the next community meeting is Friday, 14 September 2012. The meeting will be held at 17:00 UTC+0 (i.e., 1 p.m. US EDT) in the #evergreen IRC channel on Freenode. The agenda can be found at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=community:meetings:2012-09 If you would like to add an item to the agenda, please edit that wiki page or send me your agenda item. My thanks to all who participated in the Doodle poll. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton Director of Support and Implementation Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts email: g...@esilibrary.com mailto:g...@esilibrary.com direct: +1 770-709-5581 tel:%2B1%20770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 tel:%2B1%20404-984-4366 skype: gmcharlt web: http://www.esilibrary.com Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 tel:507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/ -- -- Anoop Atre | Systems Administrator | aa...@esilibrary.com | 770-709-5575 Equinox Software Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source -- Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens ~ Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Historically, the Community Meeting grew out of a need to disseminate information from various groups and committees to a larger group of people and it started as an extension of the Developer meetings conducted regularly in IRC. There was some discussion in those early days about the format for community meetings and whether we should continue to use IRC or find alternatives. I don't recall anybody really suggesting or volunteering alternatives at the time, but it never hurts to refresh the discussion. So I'm inclined to support trying new approaches too. Some logistical concerns with conference call though: Looking back and doing a quick head count of people who identified themselves during the last community meetings, we tend to have at least 12-20 participants (possibly more lurking). Are individuals or organizations in the community able to volunteer access to a conference call line large enough to support that many (or more) simultaneous participants? Do we have to use some sort of professional meeting tool like WebEx or similar? Will the volunteers who setup the conference line be tasked to also coordinate the running of the meeting, to avoid having everybody talking at once, etc.? I think Thomas also raises a good point about participant cross communication issues with phone/IRC. So bridging that gap would need to be necessary as well. -- Ben On 08/30/2012 12:24 PM, Thomas Berezansky wrote: I question how those who can't participate via IRC (assuming that is a goal here) and those who can't participate via the conference call will interact with each other. Not that I am sure I would be attending either way, but I am much more likely to participate in IRC than on a conference call. Thomas Berezansky Merrimack Valley Library Consortium Quoting Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? I don't like the idea, but I don't necessarily object. Worth trying new things and learning from the results. :) -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org -- Benjamin Shum Open Source Software Coordinator Bibliomation, Inc. 32 Crest Road Middlebury, CT 06762 203-577-4070, ext. 113
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:44 , Anoop Atre wrote: Are we talking about having the community meeting on IRC and a conference call? I'd rather not go that route. My suggestion was to have a conference call in parallel with the IRC chat line. We have been doing well with IRC meetings for the last few years and now with the meetbot it's a lot more efficient in keeping notes. We can probably agree to disagree here, which is ok ;) From what I have observed, these meetings are slow-rolling and somewhat chaotic. A lot more can be covered by talking rather than by typing, and usually over telephone there is focus on one conversation/topic at a time, unlike over chat, which seems to spawn off several parallel conversations that make it harder to keep track of what is actually being discussed. I actually would like future web team meetings to be on IRC. It brings more transparency to the discussions and as I mentioned it's easier to keep meeting minutes. When it comes to interpersonal communication, online chat is a blunt instrument inferior to using voice for a number of natural reasons. As far as transparency of web team meetings, that's a different topic altogether, not sure why you bring it up here. The web team conference call is open to anyone in the community and if you feel like I miss something in the meeting notes, you have the opportunity to comment when I pass them around prior to sending to the web list, which is open to the public. For me personally, it is easiest to chat using voice and to keep meeting minutes using pen and paper. -1 on having community meetings on conference calls from me. Cheers On 08/30/2012 12:17 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: great idea. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lori Bowen Ayre // Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group Oversight Board Communications Committee / Evergreen (707) 763-6869 // lori.a...@galecia.com mailto:lori.a...@galecia.com Availability: http://tungle.me/lori.ayre http://tungle.me/lori.ayre mailto:lori.a...@galecia.comSpecializing in open source ILS solutions, RFID, filtering, workflow optimization, and materials handling =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu mailto:alexey.la...@mnsu.edu wrote: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? On Aug 21, 2012, at 20:11 , Galen Charlton wrote: Hi, The near-consensus date for the next community meeting is Friday, 14 September 2012. The meeting will be held at 17:00 UTC+0 (i.e., 1 p.m. US EDT) in the #evergreen IRC channel on Freenode. The agenda can be found at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=community:meetings:2012-09 If you would like to add an item to the agenda, please edit that wiki page or send me your agenda item. My thanks to all who participated in the Doodle poll. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton Director of Support and Implementation Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts email: g...@esilibrary.com mailto:g...@esilibrary.com direct: +1 770-709-5581 tel:%2B1%20770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 tel:%2B1%20404-984-4366 skype: gmcharlt web: http://www.esilibrary.com Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 tel:507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/ -- -- Anoop Atre | Systems Administrator | aa...@esilibrary.com | 770-709-5575 Equinox Software Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source -- Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens ~ Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
When it comes to interpersonal communication, online chat is a blunt instrument inferior to using voice for a number of natural reasons. As far as transparency of web team meetings, that's a different topic altogether, not sure why you bring it up here. The web team conference call is open to anyone in the community and if you feel like I miss something in the meeting notes, you have the opportunity to comment when I pass them around prior to sending to the web list, which is open to the public. There's also a cultural component here. Open source communities are online communities and tend to use the mediums found there (but yay all the new stuff like VOIP and Google Hangouts!). But we also have a set of folks who are used to conference calls and face to face meetings in their daily professional lives. Communities tend to be conservative, so both groups are going to want to use what works for them. If we had a group of folks who lived mostly in the twitterverse, that is what they would advocate. What mixing and melding we do have between mediums happens naturally. I don't expect a forced melding of IRC + phone to go very well, but I'm willing to let folks try it rather than argue about it. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Alexey, I actually thought you were suggesting that the web team be on a conference call during the IRC meeting so we could work together (on the phone) to make sure we were providing a good overview of the pilot drupal evergreen site. That, I think is a fine idea. It was just a one-time thing for us to organize ourselves without creating confusion during our presentation. But I think IRC meetings are easier for a large number of people to participate in at once and its easier for people to read the IRC transcript to catch up (if they weren't able to attend). So, I agree with Anoop that, in general, we should keep the community meetings on IRC only. I disagree with Anoop, however, that the web team meetings need to be on IRC. With only about five people involved, it is much easier to be able to discuss things and we need that back and forth that you can't get on IRC. Lori On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Anoop Atre aa...@esilibrary.com wrote: Are we talking about having the community meeting on IRC and a conference call? I'd rather not go that route. We have been doing well with IRC meetings for the last few years and now with the meetbot it's a lot more efficient in keeping notes. I actually would like future web team meetings to be on IRC. It brings more transparency to the discussions and as I mentioned it's easier to keep meeting minutes. -1 on having community meetings on conference calls from me. Cheers On 08/30/2012 12:17 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: great idea. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-**=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lori Bowen Ayre // Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group Oversight Board Communications Committee / Evergreen (707) 763-6869 // lori.a...@galecia.com mailto:lori.a...@galecia.com Availability: http://tungle.me/lori.ayre http://tungle.me/lori.ayre mailto:lori.a...@galecia.com**Specializing in open source ILS solutions, RFID, filtering, workflow optimization, and materials handling =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-**=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu mailto:alexey.la...@mnsu.edu** wrote: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? On Aug 21, 2012, at 20:11 , Galen Charlton wrote: Hi, The near-consensus date for the next community meeting is Friday, 14 September 2012. The meeting will be held at 17:00 UTC+0 (i.e., 1 p.m. US EDT) in the #evergreen IRC channel on Freenode. The agenda can be found at http://evergreen-ils.org/**dokuwiki/doku.php?id=** community:meetings:2012-09http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=community:meetings:2012-09 If you would like to add an item to the agenda, please edit that wiki page or send me your agenda item. My thanks to all who participated in the Doodle poll. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton Director of Support and Implementation Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts email: g...@esilibrary.com mailto:g...@esilibrary.com direct: +1 770-709-5581 tel:%2B1%20770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 tel:%2B1%20404-984-4366 skype: gmcharlt web: http://www.esilibrary.com Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org Alexey Lazar PALS Information System Developer and Integrator 507-389-2907 tel:507-389-2907 http://www.mnpals.org/ -- -- Anoop Atre | Systems Administrator | aa...@esilibrary.com | 770-709-5575 Equinox Software Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source -- Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens ~ Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Just an FYI about IRC, there are plenty of people who don't participate in the community meetings because it is on IRC too. Not that I'm lobbying at this time to change the format (as I've already addressed) but I think IRC is a big leap for many people (despite how incredibly easy and straight-forward it seems to all you developers out there!) Every group is going to have a different level of comfort with different communciation methods. It is true that a WebEx style meeting might reach the broadest range of community members. Maybe Skype or Google HangOut too. Lori On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Thomas Berezansky tsb...@mvlc.org wrote: I question how those who can't participate via IRC (assuming that is a goal here) and those who can't participate via the conference call will interact with each other. Not that I am sure I would be attending either way, but I am much more likely to participate in IRC than on a conference call. Thomas Berezansky Merrimack Valley Library Consortium Quoting Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com: Any objections to having this meeting on conference call in parallel to the IRC? I don't like the idea, but I don't necessarily object. Worth trying new things and learning from the results. :) -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
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...but I think IRC is a big leap for many people (despite how incredibly easy and straight-forward it seems to all you developers out there!) As simple as following the web gateway link at http://evergreen-ils.org/chat.php :-) But yeah, still a mental barrier there if nothing else. Or maybe we just need to make that link more prominent and advertise it along with the meetings. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
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Yea, forgot that freenode operates their own webchat! My experience has been that once folks get into the room the rest of it is pretty easy - maybe learning a bit of irc etiquette (that can be our third goal ;) ) -- David Busby Edoceo, Inc. http://edoceo.com/ 206.282.6500 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com wrote: ...but I think IRC is a big leap for many people (despite how incredibly easy and straight-forward it seems to all you developers out there!) As simple as following the web gateway link at http://evergreen-ils.org/chat.php :-) But yeah, still a mental barrier there if nothing else. Or maybe we just need to make that link more prominent and advertise it along with the meetings. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Hi Jason, Maybe, when we send out invites to the community meetings we should include info about the easy to use web interface that is available for anyone to use (even if you've never done IRC before) with some tips for newbies. Lori =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lori Bowen Ayre // Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group Oversight Board Communications Committee / Evergreen (707) 763-6869 // lori.a...@galecia.com Availability: http://tungle.me/lori.ayre lori.a...@galecia.comSpecializing in open source ILS solutions, RFID, filtering, workflow optimization, and materials handling =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.comwrote: ...but I think IRC is a big leap for many people (despite how incredibly easy and straight-forward it seems to all you developers out there!) As simple as following the web gateway link at http://evergreen-ils.org/chat.php :-) But yeah, still a mental barrier there if nothing else. Or maybe we just need to make that link more prominent and advertise it along with the meetings. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
We're planning on doing a quick Intro to IRC session at next year's Evergreen conference (hey! have you registered yet? http://eg2013.evergreen-ils.org ) as well as having volunteers around to help folks get started on IRC. It's not hard, if you've chatted online with someone you can use IRC. Cheers, Tara On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre lori.a...@galecia.comwrote: Hi Jason, Maybe, when we send out invites to the community meetings we should include info about the easy to use web interface that is available for anyone to use (even if you've never done IRC before) with some tips for newbies. Lori =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lori Bowen Ayre // Library Technology Consultant / The Galecia Group Oversight Board Communications Committee / Evergreen (707) 763-6869 // lori.a...@galecia.com Availability: http://tungle.me/lori.ayre lori.a...@galecia.comSpecializing in open source ILS solutions, RFID, filtering, workflow optimization, and materials handling =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.comwrote: ...but I think IRC is a big leap for many people (despite how incredibly easy and straight-forward it seems to all you developers out there!) As simple as following the web gateway link at http://evergreen-ils.org/chat.php :-) But yeah, still a mental barrier there if nothing else. Or maybe we just need to make that link more prominent and advertise it along with the meetings. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Thanks for the offer, David. Is there a limit to the number of people who can access IRC from a single web gateway? Lori On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM, David Busby david.bu...@edoceo.comwrote: Yea, forgot that freenode operates their own webchat! My experience has been that once folks get into the room the rest of it is pretty easy - maybe learning a bit of irc etiquette (that can be our third goal ;) ) -- David Busby Edoceo, Inc. http://edoceo.com/ 206.282.6500 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com wrote: ...but I think IRC is a big leap for many people (despite how incredibly easy and straight-forward it seems to all you developers out there!) As simple as following the web gateway link at http://evergreen-ils.org/chat.php :-) But yeah, still a mental barrier there if nothing else. Or maybe we just need to make that link more prominent and advertise it along with the meetings. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Jason, I think people don't realize web gateway means...hey, look! here's a way to do IRC if you don't even know what IRC means! Adding some particulars about key IRC commands including the basics like how to log in, introducing yourself, how to vote, when to speak up, and how to log off would be useful additions to that page too. I know I have to look up IRC commands (like how to I end this session??) everytime I try to do anything there and inevitably I still do *something* wrong. But I have a higher tolerance than some for just trying even if I end up looking like an idiot! ;) Lori On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.comwrote: ...but I think IRC is a big leap for many people (despite how incredibly easy and straight-forward it seems to all you developers out there!) As simple as following the web gateway link at http://evergreen-ils.org/chat.php :-) But yeah, still a mental barrier there if nothing else. Or maybe we just need to make that link more prominent and advertise it along with the meetings. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Maybe, when we send out invites to the community meetings we should include info about the easy to use web interface that is available for anyone to use (even if you've never done IRC before) with some tips for newbies. Sounds like a good idea to me. I think we may want to embiggen :) the gateway link in the chat page on the website as well. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
I am not aware of any artificial limits. Some chat servers limit the number of connections to a room from the source IP which may impact all users on the gateway since they will share that gateway IP. Freenode likely has taken this into consideration and set those limits to high values. /me crosses fingers /djb Edoceo, Inc 206.282.6500 http://edoceo.com On Aug 30, 2012 12:28 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre lori.a...@galecia.com wrote: Thanks for the offer, David. Is there a limit to the number of people who can access IRC from a single web gateway? Lori On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM, David Busby david.bu...@edoceo.comwrote: Yea, forgot that freenode operates their own webchat! My experience has been that once folks get into the room the rest of it is pretty easy - maybe learning a bit of irc etiquette (that can be our third goal ;) ) -- David Busby Edoceo, Inc. http://edoceo.com/ 206.282.6500 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com wrote: ...but I think IRC is a big leap for many people (despite how incredibly easy and straight-forward it seems to all you developers out there!) As simple as following the web gateway link at http://evergreen-ils.org/chat.php :-) But yeah, still a mental barrier there if nothing else. Or maybe we just need to make that link more prominent and advertise it along with the meetings. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Jason, Ja! On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.comwrote: Maybe, when we send out invites to the community meetings we should include info about the easy to use web interface that is available for anyone to use (even if you've never done IRC before) with some tips for newbies. Sounds like a good idea to me. I think we may want to embiggen :) the gateway link in the chat page on the website as well. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Just noticed: a google-search for 'Evergreen chat' points to http://www.open-ils.org/irc.php - which appears to be the same page as http://evergreen-ils.org/chat.php - should we have a canonical name? HTTP/1.1 301 or http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=139394 And, until the conference perhaps this video will help: http://youtu.be/ZFQze-DDARE -- David Busby Edoceo, Inc. http://edoceo.com/ 206.282.6500 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Lori Bowen Ayre lori.a...@galecia.com wrote: Jason, Ja! On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com wrote: Maybe, when we send out invites to the community meetings we should include info about the easy to use web interface that is available for anyone to use (even if you've never done IRC before) with some tips for newbies. Sounds like a good idea to me. I think we may want to embiggen :) the gateway link in the chat page on the website as well. -- Jason Etheridge | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com | Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu wrote: When it comes to interpersonal communication, online chat is a blunt instrument inferior to using voice for a number of natural reasons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c Cheers, Justin
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
LOL, love it! On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Justin Hopkins jus...@mobiusconsortium.org wrote: On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu wrote: When it comes to interpersonal communication, online chat is a blunt instrument inferior to using voice for a number of natural reasons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c Cheers, Justin
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Next community meeting is 14 September 2012, 17:00 UTC+0
Hi, The near-consensus date for the next community meeting is Friday, 14 September 2012. The meeting will be held at 17:00 UTC+0 (i.e., 1 p.m. US EDT) in the #evergreen IRC channel on Freenode. The agenda can be found at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=community:meetings:2012-09 If you would like to add an item to the agenda, please edit that wiki page or send me your agenda item. My thanks to all who participated in the Doodle poll. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton Director of Support and Implementation Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts email: g...@esilibrary.com direct: +1 770-709-5581 cell: +1 404-984-4366 skype: gmcharlt web:http://www.esilibrary.com Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org http://evergreen-ils.org
