Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
Colleagues, Because of all the interest expressed in this thread I have created the following wishlist bug. Create a “list view” for Call Number (Shelf Browse) results lists. https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1424690 Create a list display results screen, which is similar in appearance to other Evergreen search results screens, for the Call Number (Shelf Browse) search. Each title retrieved should display at least the following data elements. Call Number, Title, Author, and Publication Date. Please be encouraged to add your thoughts and comments. Don On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:46 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm getting excited about this! Sure, it could use some layout tweaks to make it easier to scan down the list, but I think patrons and staff alike would find it easier to interpret and use. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Jennifer Walz jlw...@asbury.edu To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:39:32 PM Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list All – Beautiful! Both of those look really like what I think most people (catalogers and regular patrons) would find useful. Do you have a Dewey example? Just to add some more icing on that cake. +1 for that. Thanks! Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS crazy Kinlaw Library Asbury University 1 Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rylander Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:35 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Thanks, Elaine. Based on that, it seems that (with appropriate styling and integration) the backend behind the old slimpac call number browse does, indeed, fill the need and pretty well matches your definition of a shelf list. Here are a couple example URLs: non-repeating area of call numbers http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/PZ6 area with repeating values http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/FIC Of course, as a simple demo site, the cataloging and normalization of call numbers is not what a cataloger would provide. Note: the Display Fields work that is pending inclusion would allow improved sorting of repeated call number rows. -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@esilibrary.commailto:mi...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Hardy, Elaine eha...@georgialibraries.orgmailto:eha...@georgialibraries.org wrote: Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
All – Beautiful! Both of those look really like what I think most people (catalogers and regular patrons) would find useful. Do you have a Dewey example? Just to add some more icing on that cake. +1 for that. Thanks! Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS crazy Kinlaw Library Asbury University 1 Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rylander Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:35 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Thanks, Elaine. Based on that, it seems that (with appropriate styling and integration) the backend behind the old slimpac call number browse does, indeed, fill the need and pretty well matches your definition of a shelf list. Here are a couple example URLs: non-repeating area of call numbers http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/PZ6 area with repeating values http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/FIC Of course, as a simple demo site, the cataloging and normalization of call numbers is not what a cataloger would provide. Note: the Display Fields work that is pending inclusion would allow improved sorting of repeated call number rows. -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@esilibrary.commailto:mi...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Hardy, Elaine eha...@georgialibraries.orgmailto:eha...@georgialibraries.org wrote: Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128tel:404.235.7128 404.235.7201tel:404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.orgmailto:eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.orghttp://www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pineshttp://www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:28 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.camailto:gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.camailto:gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
I'm getting excited about this! Sure, it could use some layout tweaks to make it easier to scan down the list, but I think patrons and staff alike would find it easier to interpret and use. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Jennifer Walz jlw...@asbury.edu To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:39:32 PM Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list All – Beautiful! Both of those look really like what I think most people (catalogers and regular patrons) would find useful. Do you have a Dewey example? Just to add some more icing on that cake. +1 for that. Thanks! Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS crazy Kinlaw Library Asbury University 1 Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rylander Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:35 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Thanks, Elaine. Based on that, it seems that (with appropriate styling and integration) the backend behind the old slimpac call number browse does, indeed, fill the need and pretty well matches your definition of a shelf list. Here are a couple example URLs: non-repeating area of call numbers http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/PZ6 area with repeating values http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/FIC Of course, as a simple demo site, the cataloging and normalization of call numbers is not what a cataloger would provide. Note: the Display Fields work that is pending inclusion would allow improved sorting of repeated call number rows. -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@esilibrary.commailto:mi...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Hardy, Elaine eha...@georgialibraries.orgmailto:eha...@georgialibraries.org wrote: Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128tel:404.235.7128 404.235.7201tel:404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.orgmailto:eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.orghttp://www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pineshttp://www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:28 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Can you define what constitutes real
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
Thanks, Elaine. Based on that, it seems that (with appropriate styling and integration) the backend behind the old slimpac call number browse does, indeed, fill the need and pretty well matches your definition of a shelf list. Here are a couple example URLs: non-repeating area of call numbers http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/PZ6 area with repeating values http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/FIC Of course, as a simple demo site, the cataloging and normalization of call numbers is not what a cataloger would provide. Note: the Display Fields work that is pending inclusion would allow improved sorting of repeated call number rows. -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Hardy, Elaine eha...@georgialibraries.org wrote: Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. *Elaine* J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Rogan Hamby *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:28 PM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
What Elaine said ☺ Thanks Elaine for the detailed response. This is exactly the information to describe ‘a real shelf list’ that answers my hasty post. Our cataloguers have been referring to an outdated shelf list from a previous system to classify certain publications to ensure call numbers are being created properly. We would love to see this feature also! Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de Hardy, Elaine Envoyé : January-20-15 2:30 PM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.orgmailto:eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.orghttp://www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pineshttp://www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:28 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.camailto:gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.camailto:gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443tel:613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939tel:613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
I forgot about the slimpac… This is very close, in terms of display, and I could see with tweaking where it would be visually what we would need. I don’t know how Evergreen handles LCC numbers so I don’t know if shelflisting rules are already in place or if they would have to be scoped out. This would also be a very handy way to check if the correct cover art is associated with a title while you were verify call numbers. Thanks, Mike! Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rylander Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:35 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Thanks, Elaine. Based on that, it seems that (with appropriate styling and integration) the backend behind the old slimpac call number browse does, indeed, fill the need and pretty well matches your definition of a shelf list. Here are a couple example URLs: non-repeating area of call numbers http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/PZ6 area with repeating values http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/FIC Of course, as a simple demo site, the cataloging and normalization of call numbers is not what a cataloger would provide. Note: the Display Fields work that is pending inclusion would allow improved sorting of repeated call number rows. -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Hardy, Elaine eha...@georgialibraries.org wrote: Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:28 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939
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I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
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Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me.” ― C.S. Lewis http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis
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Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:28 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me.” ― http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis C.S. Lewis
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I was merely giving you an idea of what were are talking about. Were I to write up specs for requirements, I can assure you they would be more complete and not include illustrations from other ILSs. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:42 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list The feature list is often more useful than screenshots of other ILSes, especially proprietary ones. For reasons that I think you can imagine many developers are leery of being handed things from commercial ILSes and told do it like this. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Hardy, Elaine eha...@georgialibraries.org wrote: Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:28 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can
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I would very, very much prefer a list view. I have always found the grid of nine books confusing, and I know I am not alone in this. What's more, it restricts you to only seeing 9 call numbers at a time, which can make for lots of clicking! Ideally the user would be able to choose between displaying either one line per call number or one line per bibliographic record. In the former situation only the call number should be shown, while in the latter it would be sensible to show information from the record such as title and author. If the system were to only do one of these, however, the first option would definitely be my preference. Otherwise it would be useless for seeing the sequence of call numbers wherever a library assigns many records the same number. Benjamin Kalish Forbes Library / 413-587-1012 / bkal...@forbeslibrary.org Currently reading: *The Riddle of the Sands* by Erskine Childers and *1Q84 *by Haruki Murakami Just Finished: *2001: A Space Odyssey *by Arthur C. Clarke On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Janet Schrader jschra...@cwmars.org wrote: For “Call number (shelf browse)” I definitely prefer a list view and I know several libraries in our consortium that have been advocating for this development in order to do this shelf browse for their collections. I’m curious as to how it would work. Would duplicate call numbers by collapsed into one entry as even individual libraries may have several books on the same topic by the same author? 973.2 Tam (1) 973.2 TAY (21) 973.2 Taylor (5) 973.2 Ter (1) 973.2 Terkel (2) 973.2 Thane (1) Janet Janet Schrader Bibliographic Services Supervisor C/W MARS, Inc. 67 Millbrook Street, Suite 201 Worcester, MA 01606 Tel: 508-755-3323 ext. 25 FaX: 508-757-7801 jschra...@cwmars.org *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Hardy, Elaine *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:28 AM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I also would prefer a list view. *Elaine* J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [ mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Joan Kranich *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:54 AM *To:* 'Evergreen Discussion Group' *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Hi, I would prefer a list view for call number search results. I think it is easier to understand for patrons and is consistent with other results screen displays. Joan Joan Kranich C/W MARS Member Services jkran...@cwmars.org 508-755-3323 ext. 21 *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [ mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Donald Butterworth *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:01 AM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list In the Ditch the Bib Call Number search? thread, Jennifer indicated that she would prefer a list view display as compared to the current shelf view display that returns with a Call Number (Shelf Browse) search. I too, would prefer a list view. Would anybody else prefer a list view search result? Would this change be a huge project, given Yamil's comment that this index is very different than for others indexes? Don -- Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227
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+1 for list view, AND for Terran's widget idea! Andrea Buntz Neiman, MLS Librarian II, Public Services Kent County Public Library 408 High Street Chestertown, MD 21620 410-778-3636 x2115 www.kentcountylibrary.org On 1/15/2015 10:45 AM, McCanna, Terran wrote: I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
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+1 to both ideas from me too. Kathy On 01/16/2015 01:46 PM, Andrea Buntz Neiman wrote: +1 for list view, AND for Terran's widget idea! Andrea Buntz Neiman, MLS Librarian II, Public Services Kent County Public Library 408 High Street Chestertown, MD 21620 410-778-3636 x2115 www.kentcountylibrary.org On 1/15/2015 10:45 AM, McCanna, Terran wrote: I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
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On 2015-01-15, at 09:45 , McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Slightly different usage type, but TADL has something like that: http://catalog.tadl.org/. Theirs also happens to be the most user-friendly and inviting Evergreen catalog landing page out there, at least of the ones I’ve seen. KCLS also has something along those lines, but they are using BiblioCommons: http://kcls.bibliocommons.com/. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/
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Yes! That's exactly the usage that patrons would love to see with the shelf browser (IMHO). There are some third party widgets (LibraryThing makes one I believe) and various javascript tutorials to do pretty / visual things like this with static booklists. It would be cool to extend the idea to a shelf browser. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org div Original message /divdivFrom: Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu /divdivDate:01/16/2015 2:40 PM (GMT-05:00) /divdivTo: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org /divdivSubject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list /divdiv /div On 2015-01-15, at 09:45 , McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Slightly different usage type, but TADL has something like that: http://catalog.tadl.org/. Theirs also happens to be the most user-friendly and inviting Evergreen catalog landing page out there, at least of the ones I’ve seen. KCLS also has something along those lines, but they are using BiblioCommons: http://kcls.bibliocommons.com/. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/
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While I do agree that this would be good for patrons, catalogers would love to have a version of shelf browse that allows them to easily and quickly shelf list – place their call number in shelf list order to ensure they haven’t duplicated their number (where libraries don’t duplicate call numbers) and ensure they have it collocated correctly with other similar works in their collection. This view is better than the current grid for that; but, a browse list of call numbers and titles/authors would be better. I would love to see both. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of McCanna, Terran Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:47 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Yes! That's exactly the usage that patrons would love to see with the shelf browser (IMHO). There are some third party widgets (LibraryThing makes one I believe) and various javascript tutorials to do pretty / visual things like this with static booklists. It would be cool to extend the idea to a shelf browser. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org Original message From: Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich Date:01/16/2015 2:40 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list On 2015-01-15, at 09:45 , McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Slightly different usage type, but TADL has something like that: http://catalog.tadl.org/. Theirs also happens to be the most user-friendly and inviting Evergreen catalog landing page out there, at least of the ones I’ve seen. KCLS also has something along those lines, but they are using BiblioCommons: http://kcls.bibliocommons.com/. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/
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All - If anyone wants to see how our previous ILS catalog did the call number browse: http://library.asbury.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=PMnTOlJylx/AC/270510061/61/78/X Is it possible to recreate something similar in Evergreen? And make it better of course! And for other examples: http://catalog.lib.ncsu.edu/browse?callNumber=ps+32format=listcallNumberSearch=true Here is a collection of eight of them: http://musingsaboutlibrarianship.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-survey-of-library-virtual-shelves-8.html#.VLlvtsm8-Xg And here is one that I am completely fascinated with and would love to replicate somehow: https://lucas.liberty.edu/vwebv/holdingsInfo?bibId=159387searchId=1026recPointer=7recCount=10 I realize that they are probably using the virtual shelf representation from Library Thing. That is not what is cool. Scroll to the very bottom of the screen and there is a little link for an image of the actual book location on a map. The blue highlighted region / shelf on the map is where the book is. Nice. Surely we can do this! The shelf browse at least. But let's start with a simple call number list first. :-) Thanks! Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS craziness Kinlaw Library Asbury University 1 Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Buntz Neiman Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:46 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list +1 for list view, AND for Terran's widget idea! Andrea Buntz Neiman, MLS Librarian II, Public Services Kent County Public Library 408 High Street Chestertown, MD 21620 410-778-3636 x2115 www.kentcountylibrary.org On 1/15/2015 10:45 AM, McCanna, Terran wrote: I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
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On 01/16/2015 03:21 PM, Walz, Jennifer wrote: All - If anyone wants to see how our previous ILS catalog did the call number browse: http://library.asbury.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=PMnTOlJylx/AC/270510061/61/78/X Unfortunately, it looks like your previous ILS catalog didn't support permalinks. I can't see the call number display from that link. Is it possible to recreate something similar in Evergreen? And make it better of course! Sure, anything's possible. Having discussions like this one is a great way to get consensus around a shared vision. As with anything in open-source software, of course, it helps if you have a developer who is willing to work on the shared vision or the funds to hire a developer. For what it's worth, MassLNC got a quote to implement this - http://masslnc.cwmars.org/node/2590 - a couple of years ago, but decided not to implement it. I would be willing to share the details of the quote with anyone who is interested in implementing it, but, by this time, I'm sure the numbers in it have expired. Have a nice weekend! Kathy And for other examples: http://catalog.lib.ncsu.edu/browse?callNumber=ps+32format=listcallNumberSearch=true Here is a collection of eight of them: http://musingsaboutlibrarianship.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-survey-of-library-virtual-shelves-8.html#.VLlvtsm8-Xg And here is one that I am completely fascinated with and would love to replicate somehow: https://lucas.liberty.edu/vwebv/holdingsInfo?bibId=159387searchId=1026recPointer=7recCount=10 I realize that they are probably using the virtual shelf representation from Library Thing. That is not what is cool. Scroll to the very bottom of the screen and there is a little link for an image of the actual book location on a map. The blue highlighted region / shelf on the map is where the book is. Nice. Surely we can do this! The shelf browse at least. But let's start with a simple call number list first. :-) Thanks! Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS craziness Kinlaw Library Asbury University 1 Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Buntz Neiman Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:46 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list +1 for list view, AND for Terran's widget idea! Andrea Buntz Neiman, MLS Librarian II, Public Services Kent County Public Library 408 High Street Chestertown, MD 21620 410-778-3636 x2115 www.kentcountylibrary.org On 1/15/2015 10:45 AM, McCanna, Terran wrote: I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
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For “Call number (shelf browse)” I definitely prefer a list view and I know several libraries in our consortium that have been advocating for this development in order to do this shelf browse for their collections. I’m curious as to how it would work. Would duplicate call numbers by collapsed into one entry as even individual libraries may have several books on the same topic by the same author? 973.2 Tam (1) 973.2 TAY (21) 973.2 Taylor (5) 973.2 Ter (1) 973.2 Terkel (2) 973.2 Thane (1) Janet Janet Schrader Bibliographic Services Supervisor C/W MARS, Inc. 67 Millbrook Street, Suite 201 Worcester, MA 01606 Tel: 508-755-3323 ext. 25 FaX: 508-757-7801 jschra...@cwmars.orgmailto:jschra...@cwmars.org From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Hardy, Elaine Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:28 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I also would prefer a list view. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.orgmailto:eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.orghttp://www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pineshttp://www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Joan Kranich Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:54 AM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Hi, I would prefer a list view for call number search results. I think it is easier to understand for patrons and is consistent with other results screen displays. Joan Joan Kranich C/W MARS Member Services jkran...@cwmars.orgmailto:jkran...@cwmars.org 508-755-3323 ext. 21 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Donald Butterworth Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:01 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list In the Ditch the Bib Call Number search? thread, Jennifer indicated that she would prefer a list view display as compared to the current shelf view display that returns with a Call Number (Shelf Browse) search. I too, would prefer a list view. Would anybody else prefer a list view search result? Would this change be a huge project, given Yamil's comment that this index is very different than for others indexes? Don -- Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edumailto:don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227
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Janet, That's a good (and important) point to bring up. The question is this: are we talking about a virtual shelf or a call number listing? If the former, they'd be duplicated (one version of the callnumber per bib with items at or below the search location), and if the latter, they could be collapsed (count of bibs with items at or below the search location using that string as the callnumber label). The former supports book jackets and shelf listing (approximately), the latter is just an index of labels. There's room for both, IMO. Thoughts? -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Janet Schrader jschra...@cwmars.org wrote: For “Call number (shelf browse)” I definitely prefer a list view and I know several libraries in our consortium that have been advocating for this development in order to do this shelf browse for their collections. I’m curious as to how it would work. Would duplicate call numbers by collapsed into one entry as even individual libraries may have several books on the same topic by the same author? 973.2 Tam (1) 973.2 TAY (21) 973.2 Taylor (5) 973.2 Ter (1) 973.2 Terkel (2) 973.2 Thane (1) Janet Janet Schrader Bibliographic Services Supervisor C/W MARS, Inc. 67 Millbrook Street, Suite 201 Worcester, MA 01606 Tel: 508-755-3323 ext. 25 FaX: 508-757-7801 jschra...@cwmars.org *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Hardy, Elaine *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:28 AM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I also would prefer a list view. *Elaine* J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [ mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Joan Kranich *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:54 AM *To:* 'Evergreen Discussion Group' *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Hi, I would prefer a list view for call number search results. I think it is easier to understand for patrons and is consistent with other results screen displays. Joan Joan Kranich C/W MARS Member Services jkran...@cwmars.org 508-755-3323 ext. 21 *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [ mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Donald Butterworth *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:01 AM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list In the Ditch the Bib Call Number search? thread, Jennifer indicated that she would prefer a list view display as compared to the current shelf view display that returns with a Call Number (Shelf Browse) search. I too, would prefer a list view. Would anybody else prefer a list view search result? Would this change be a huge project, given Yamil's comment that this index is very different than for others indexes? Don -- Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227
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I also would prefer a list view. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Joan Kranich Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:54 AM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Hi, I would prefer a list view for call number search results. I think it is easier to understand for patrons and is consistent with other results screen displays. Joan Joan Kranich C/W MARS Member Services jkran...@cwmars.org 508-755-3323 ext. 21 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Donald Butterworth Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:01 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list In the Ditch the Bib Call Number search? thread, Jennifer indicated that she would prefer a list view display as compared to the current shelf view display that returns with a Call Number (Shelf Browse) search. I too, would prefer a list view. Would anybody else prefer a list view search result? Would this change be a huge project, given Yamil's comment that this index is very different than for others indexes? Don -- Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227
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I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
Hi, I would prefer a list view for call number search results. I think it is easier to understand for patrons and is consistent with other results screen displays. Joan Joan Kranich C/W MARS Member Services jkran...@cwmars.orgmailto:jkran...@cwmars.org 508-755-3323 ext. 21 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Donald Butterworth Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:01 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list In the Ditch the Bib Call Number search? thread, Jennifer indicated that she would prefer a list view display as compared to the current shelf view display that returns with a Call Number (Shelf Browse) search. I too, would prefer a list view. Would anybody else prefer a list view search result? Would this change be a huge project, given Yamil's comment that this index is very different than for others indexes? Don -- Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edumailto:don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
In the Ditch the Bib Call Number search? thread, Jennifer indicated that she would prefer a list view display as compared to the current shelf view display that returns with a Call Number (Shelf Browse) search. I too, would prefer a list view. Would anybody else prefer a list view search result? Would this change be a huge project, given Yamil's comment that this index is very different than for others indexes? Don -- Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227
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It shouldn't bet terribly hard, since it's been done before in the old SlimPAC and the underlying code we need already exists: http://webby.evergreencatalog.com/opac/extras/browse/html/call_number/-/FIC It would need TPAC treatment, obviously. -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Donald Butterworth don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu wrote: In the Ditch the Bib Call Number search? thread, Jennifer indicated that she would prefer a list view display as compared to the current shelf view display that returns with a Call Number (Shelf Browse) search. I too, would prefer a list view. Would anybody else prefer a list view search result? Would this change be a huge project, given Yamil's comment that this index is very different than for others indexes? Don -- Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227
