[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats
Hi all, We are investigating a method to get ebooks as a format option in our TPAC and I wonder if I could get some feedback on whether this is a good way to do this. Here is the method we are investigating: 1. Add a unique type entry using the MARC Code Value Map in the staff client. 2. Edit the Leader field of our electronic books to indicate that they are in the new ebook type. Currently most use a to indicate a book. I had a few question about this method: 1. Is there a better way to add the ebook as a format search option? 2. Are there potential dangers for us using this method? e.g. issues with future upgrades. 3. Is this kosher from a cataloguing perspective? This works technically, but want to see if this is the best way. Thanks, Robert Robert Soulliere, BA (Hons), MLIS Systems Librarian Mohawk College Library robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca Telephone: 905 575 1212 x3936 Fax: 905 575 2011 This E-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the individual or entity named in the message. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was received in error, please notify the sender by reply E-mail immediately, and delete and destroy the original message.
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats
Hi Justin, Exactly right about that. If this method is OK, we will be investigating extending the usefulness of format by extracting and differentiating some of those computer file formats into unique format codes. I am worried about how far we can get into creative cataloguing before we are considered rogue librarians or mangle our system. ;-) Technically, Evergreen gives us the power, but should we use it? Regards, Robert Robert Soulliere, BA (Hons), MLIS Systems Librarian Mohawk College Library robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca Telephone: 905 575 1212 x3936 Fax: 905 575 2011 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Justin Hopkins [jus...@mobiusconsortium.org] Sent: August 3, 2012 11:05 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats Just chiming in to say that I'm also interested in this topic. The LOC marc standard would seem to indicate that 'm' for computer file (I believe the label in EG is electronic resource) is the right code, but that doesn't seem specific enough to be useful. On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Soulliere, Robert wrote: Hi all, We are investigating a method to get ebooks as a format option in our TPAC and I wonder if I could get some feedback on whether this is a good way to do this. Here is the method we are investigating: 1. Add a unique type entry using the MARC Code Value Map in the staff client. 2. Edit the Leader field of our electronic books to indicate that they are in the new ebook type. Currently most use a to indicate a book. I had a few question about this method: 1. Is there a better way to add the ebook as a format search option? 2. Are there potential dangers for us using this method? e.g. issues with future upgrades. 3. Is this kosher from a cataloguing perspective? This works technically, but want to see if this is the best way. Thanks, Robert Robert Soulliere, BA (Hons), MLIS Systems Librarian Mohawk College Library robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca Telephone: 905 575 1212 x3936 Fax: 905 575 2011 This E-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the individual or entity named in the message. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was received in error, please notify the sender by reply E-mail immediately, and delete and destroy the original message. This E-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the individual or entity named in the message. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was received in error, please notify the sender by reply E-mail immediately, and delete and destroy the original message.
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 10:17:32AM -0400, Soulliere, Robert wrote: Hi all, We are investigating a method to get ebooks as a format option in our TPAC and I wonder if I could get some feedback on whether this is a good way to do this. Here is the method we are investigating: 1. Add a unique type entry using the MARC Code Value Map in the staff client. 2. Edit the Leader field of our electronic books to indicate that they are in the new ebook type. Currently most use a to indicate a book. I had a few question about this method: 1. Is there a better way to add the ebook as a format search option? 2. Are there potential dangers for us using this method? e.g. issues with future upgrades. 3. Is this kosher from a cataloguing perspective? I think, from a cataloguing perspective, form of material (008/23) = o (for online) or s (for general electronic, whether online or on a CD-ROM or whatever) is what you want, per http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008b.html That maps over to 006/06 (form of item), per http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd006.html I think.
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats
Hello all, This is a pretty complex subject, and anyone interested in diving in full on should probably start here: http://www.loc.gov/marc/ldr06guide.html In all, there are at least five major factors which all relate to describe the type of an item. They are: Leader/06 - Type of record Leader/07 - Bibliographic level Field 008 - Fixed-Length Data Elements Field 006 (repeatable) - Fixed-Length Data Elements - Additional Material Characteristics Field 007 (repeatable) - Physical Description Fixed Field Notice that I listed 008 before 006. This is not an accident, as despite their numbering, 006 is subsequent to 008. It actually contains the same data as positions 18-34, which is the material specific portion of the 008, and was added later to make up for the fact that 008 is not repeatable. There is an interplay between these fields such that the meaning changes depending on the content of the more primary fields. To get more to the point, my understanding is that setting Leader/06 to 'm' for cataloging is a last resort for records which cannot be better described at a different level, which means that ebooks are supposed to use 'a' (as yours do), and changing them to 'm' would be considered (by some, anyway) to not follow best practices. As Dan Scott points out, there are other places (008/006) where the cataloger can indicate the electronic-ness of the thing, so Leader/06 is more about the essence of the thing. I think! :) It would probably be wise to work with the catalogers here and create a unified cheat sheet which would be representative of an official Evergreen understanding of best practices for the most common types of items. Without something we can agree on, the developers cannot have a unified target, and we will either end up with something excessively complex (by simply exposing these innards), something watered-down (by simply hiding these innards), or an endless tug-of-war as we write code which reflects local practices or (worse) our own understanding. Dan On 8/3/2012 at 11:19 AM, Soulliere, Robert robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca wrote: Hi Justin, Exactly right about that. If this method is OK, we will be investigating extending the usefulness of format by extracting and differentiating some of those computer file formats into unique format codes. I am worried about how far we can get into creative cataloguing before we are considered rogue librarians or mangle our system. ;-) Technically, Evergreen gives us the power, but should we use it? Regards, Robert Robert Soulliere, BA (Hons), MLIS Systems Librarian Mohawk College Library robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca Telephone: 905 575 1212 x3936 Fax: 905 575 2011 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Justin Hopkins [jus...@mobiusconsortium.org] Sent: August 3, 2012 11:05 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats Just chiming in to say that I'm also interested in this topic. The LOC marc standard would seem to indicate that 'm' for computer file (I believe the label in EG is electronic resource) is the right code, but that doesn't seem specific enough to be useful. On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Soulliere, Robert wrote: Hi all, We are investigating a method to get ebooks as a format option in our TPAC and I wonder if I could get some feedback on whether this is a good way to do this. Here is the method we are investigating: 1. Add a unique type entry using the MARC Code Value Map in the staff client. 2. Edit the Leader field of our electronic books to indicate that they are in the new ebook type. Currently most use a to indicate a book. I had a few question about this method: 1. Is there a better way to add the ebook as a format search option? 2. Are there potential dangers for us using this method? e.g. issues with future upgrades. 3. Is this kosher from a cataloguing perspective? This works technically, but want to see if this is the best way. Thanks, Robert Robert Soulliere, BA (Hons), MLIS Systems Librarian Mohawk College Library robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca Telephone: 905 575 1212 x3936 Fax: 905 575 2011 This E-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the individual or entity named in the message. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If this communication was received in error, please notify the sender by reply E-mail immediately, and delete and destroy the original message. This E-mail contains privileged and confidential information
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats
I just want to throw a quick note out: Any indexed information in the repeatable entries (006/007) is not going to index all values when there are multiple. Evergreen currently only indexes a single value. Grabbing the most common point we see this at: vr_format lives in the 007, I believe. Thus if you have DVD and Blu-ray 007 entries only one of the two will be indexed, and thus the record will only show up for one of those vr_formats when searching. This likely complicates things. Thomas Berezansky Merrimack Valley Library Consortium Quoting Dan Wells d...@calvin.edu: Hello all, This is a pretty complex subject, and anyone interested in diving in full on should probably start here: http://www.loc.gov/marc/ldr06guide.html In all, there are at least five major factors which all relate to describe the type of an item. They are: Leader/06 - Type of record Leader/07 - Bibliographic level Field 008 - Fixed-Length Data Elements Field 006 (repeatable) - Fixed-Length Data Elements - Additional Material Characteristics Field 007 (repeatable) - Physical Description Fixed Field Notice that I listed 008 before 006. This is not an accident, as despite their numbering, 006 is subsequent to 008. It actually contains the same data as positions 18-34, which is the material specific portion of the 008, and was added later to make up for the fact that 008 is not repeatable. There is an interplay between these fields such that the meaning changes depending on the content of the more primary fields. To get more to the point, my understanding is that setting Leader/06 to 'm' for cataloging is a last resort for records which cannot be better described at a different level, which means that ebooks are supposed to use 'a' (as yours do), and changing them to 'm' would be considered (by some, anyway) to not follow best practices. As Dan Scott points out, there are other places (008/006) where the cataloger can indicate the electronic-ness of the thing, so Leader/06 is more about the essence of the thing. I think! :) It would probably be wise to work with the catalogers here and create a unified cheat sheet which would be representative of an official Evergreen understanding of best practices for the most common types of items. Without something we can agree on, the developers cannot have a unified target, and we will either end up with something excessively complex (by simply exposing these innards), something watered-down (by simply hiding these innards), or an endless tug-of-war as we write code which reflects local practices or (worse) our own understanding. Dan On 8/3/2012 at 11:19 AM, Soulliere, Robert robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca wrote: Hi Justin, Exactly right about that. If this method is OK, we will be investigating extending the usefulness of format by extracting and differentiating some of those computer file formats into unique format codes. I am worried about how far we can get into creative cataloguing before we are considered rogue librarians or mangle our system. ;-) Technically, Evergreen gives us the power, but should we use it? Regards, Robert Robert Soulliere, BA (Hons), MLIS Systems Librarian Mohawk College Library robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca Telephone: 905 575 1212 x3936 Fax: 905 575 2011 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Justin Hopkins [jus...@mobiusconsortium.org] Sent: August 3, 2012 11:05 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats Just chiming in to say that I'm also interested in this topic. The LOC marc standard would seem to indicate that 'm' for computer file (I believe the label in EG is electronic resource) is the right code, but that doesn't seem specific enough to be useful. On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Soulliere, Robert wrote: Hi all, We are investigating a method to get ebooks as a format option in our TPAC and I wonder if I could get some feedback on whether this is a good way to do this. Here is the method we are investigating: 1. Add a unique type entry using the MARC Code Value Map in the staff client. 2. Edit the Leader field of our electronic books to indicate that they are in the new ebook type. Currently most use a to indicate a book. I had a few question about this method: 1. Is there a better way to add the ebook as a format search option? 2. Are there potential dangers for us using this method? e.g. issues with future upgrades. 3. Is this kosher from a cataloguing perspective? This works technically, but want to see if this is the best way. Thanks, Robert Robert Soulliere, BA (Hons), MLIS Systems Librarian Mohawk College Library robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca Telephone: 905 575 1212 x3936 Fax: 905 575 2011 This E-mail contains
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats
Possibly use two codes in combination for formats: Type 'a' + form of item 'o' or 's' = e-book Type 'g' + form of item 'o' or 's' = e-video (streaming video) Type 'i' + form of item 'o' or 's' = e-audio Type 'a' + form of item 'd' = large print Type 'a' + form of item 'a' = microform Type 'a' + form of item 'f' = Braille This does not require changing any coding in the MARC record and having to remember to do so. Janet Janet Schrader C/W MARS Inc. 67 Millbrook Street, Suite 201 Worcester, MA 01606 tel: 508-755-3323 ext. 25 fax: 508-757-7801 jschra...@cwmars.org -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Dan Scott Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:19 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 10:17:32AM -0400, Soulliere, Robert wrote: Hi all, We are investigating a method to get ebooks as a format option in our TPAC and I wonder if I could get some feedback on whether this is a good way to do this. Here is the method we are investigating: 1. Add a unique type entry using the MARC Code Value Map in the staff client. 2. Edit the Leader field of our electronic books to indicate that they are in the new ebook type. Currently most use a to indicate a book. I had a few question about this method: 1. Is there a better way to add the ebook as a format search option? 2. Are there potential dangers for us using this method? e.g. issues with future upgrades. 3. Is this kosher from a cataloguing perspective? I think, from a cataloguing perspective, form of material (008/23) = o (for online) or s (for general electronic, whether online or on a CD-ROM or whatever) is what you want, per http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008b.html That maps over to 006/06 (form of item), per http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd006.html I think.
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats
Hi All, OK, it looks like the consensus is don't mangle the marc records. However, I am still unsure about how to get ebooks as a unique format option in the format drop-down in the TPAC simple search. Is that possible at this time -- without mangling the marc records? My understanding is that formats are added and removed via the MARC Code Value Map editor which seem to map things based on matching the letter with a leader character? Is that the case or does that look in several fields? E.g. I just have to find the right cataloging combination for our ebook records? Thanks, Robert Robert Soulliere, BA (Hons), MLIS Systems Librarian Mohawk College Library robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca Telephone: 905 575 1212 x3936 Fax: 905 575 2011 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Dan Wells [d...@calvin.edu] Sent: August 3, 2012 12:49 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats Hello all, This is a pretty complex subject, and anyone interested in diving in full on should probably start here: http://www.loc.gov/marc/ldr06guide.html In all, there are at least five major factors which all relate to describe the type of an item. They are: Leader/06 - Type of record Leader/07 - Bibliographic level Field 008 - Fixed-Length Data Elements Field 006 (repeatable) - Fixed-Length Data Elements - Additional Material Characteristics Field 007 (repeatable) - Physical Description Fixed Field Notice that I listed 008 before 006. This is not an accident, as despite their numbering, 006 is subsequent to 008. It actually contains the same data as positions 18-34, which is the material specific portion of the 008, and was added later to make up for the fact that 008 is not repeatable. There is an interplay between these fields such that the meaning changes depending on the content of the more primary fields. To get more to the point, my understanding is that setting Leader/06 to 'm' for cataloging is a last resort for records which cannot be better described at a different level, which means that ebooks are supposed to use 'a' (as yours do), and changing them to 'm' would be considered (by some, anyway) to not follow best practices. As Dan Scott points out, there are other places (008/006) where the cataloger can indicate the electronic-ness of the thing, so Leader/06 is more about the essence of the thing. I think! :) It would probably be wise to work with the catalogers here and create a unified cheat sheet which would be representative of an official Evergreen understanding of best practices for the most common types of items. Without something we can agree on, the developers cannot have a unified target, and we will either end up with something excessively complex (by simply exposing these innards), something watered-down (by simply hiding these innards), or an endless tug-of-war as we write code which reflects local practices or (worse) our own understanding. Dan On 8/3/2012 at 11:19 AM, Soulliere, Robert robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca wrote: Hi Justin, Exactly right about that. If this method is OK, we will be investigating extending the usefulness of format by extracting and differentiating some of those computer file formats into unique format codes. I am worried about how far we can get into creative cataloguing before we are considered rogue librarians or mangle our system. ;-) Technically, Evergreen gives us the power, but should we use it? Regards, Robert Robert Soulliere, BA (Hons), MLIS Systems Librarian Mohawk College Library robert.soulli...@mohawkcollege.ca Telephone: 905 575 1212 x3936 Fax: 905 575 2011 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Justin Hopkins [jus...@mobiusconsortium.org] Sent: August 3, 2012 11:05 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] TPAC question: getting ebooks as an option in formats Just chiming in to say that I'm also interested in this topic. The LOC marc standard would seem to indicate that 'm' for computer file (I believe the label in EG is electronic resource) is the right code, but that doesn't seem specific enough to be useful. On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Soulliere, Robert wrote: Hi all, We are investigating a method to get ebooks as a format option in our TPAC and I wonder if I could get some feedback on whether this is a good way to do this. Here is the method we are investigating: 1. Add a unique type entry using the MARC Code Value Map in the staff client. 2. Edit the Leader field of our electronic books to indicate that they are in the new ebook type. Currently most use a to indicate a book. I had a few question about
