Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Copy Count Display
I don't think it is whether it is visible in the OPAC or not. It is the copies that would show up in a search if you checked the box to limit the search to available copies. So any copy on the shelf available to a patron if they walked in a library -- whether it is a reference book with a status of available, but can't be checked out or a status like your Walk in loan which is on the shelf available for checkout. This would eliminate copies checked out, in lost, missing, damaged, etc status. While all counts should be consistent, I would not want the available count to indicate copies that aren't available. However it would be good if there was a count of copies in all each status. J. Elaine Hardy PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service/PINES 1800 Century Place, Ste. 150 Atlanta, GA 30045 404.235.7128 Office 404.548.4241 Cell 404.235.7201 FAX On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Joan Kranich <jkran...@cwmars.org> wrote: > Thanks Kathy. I’m glad it made sense. It is a real workflow problem for > some of our libraries. > > > > Joan > > > > Joan Kranich > > Member Services Supervisor > > C/W MARS, Inc. > > 508-755-3323, ext. 321 or ext. 1 > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general- > boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathy Lussier > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2016 8:59 AM > *To:* open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Copy Count Display > > > > Ah, ok! It looks like I was wrong in my earlier e-mail. The preferred > library does show in the counts, and I see what you're saying. The > non-visible copies display in the counts if the branch is the search > library or for parents of the search library. > > However, when the count is for the preferred library, you are correct that > it's not displaying non-visible copies, which is inconsistent with the > other counts. > > I would consider this to be a bug. I don't see an existing one in > Launchpad, so I think we'll need to file on. > > Kathy > > On 08/23/2016 08:44 AM, Joan Kranich wrote: > > Hi Kathy, > > > > Thank you for your quick response. Yes, I want to see the count for the > preferred library or basically the library that I am logged in as. It’s > the line: > > *1 of 1 copy available at Pepperell Lawrence Library.* > > > > I’ll try to explain it better. > > > > I am logged into the client as Pepperell (Pepperell Lawrence Library). > > My Search Preferences are set for Default Search Library C/W MARS and > Preferred Library Pepperell. > > > > The Search All CWMARS screenshot attached shows Invisible which is owned > by Pepperell and has a status of Available. The search was done for all > C/W MARS. > > The copy count shows this item in the count of *1 of 1 copy available at > Pepperell Lawrence Library.* > > > > The second screenshot, Betrayed (2007), is a search of all C/W MARS and a > copy count does not display for Pepperell. Pepperell owns a copy and it > has a status of Damaged which is not set to be OPAC visible. > > > > The third screenshot, Betrayed, is a search scoped to Pepperell and the > copy count shows the damaged item in the Pepperell copy count. > > > > I would like the damaged item to also show in the copy count when > searching all C/W MARS. It seems to be the Copy Status setting of not OPAC > Visible that is preventing the display of the damaged item in the copy > count. Items with other statuses that are not status Available but are > OPAC Visible such as our status Walk In Loan do display in the Pepperell > (library) copy count when searched as all C/W MARS. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Joan > > > > Joan Kranich > > Member Services Supervisor > > C/W MARS, Inc. > > 508-755-3323, ext. 321 or ext. 1 > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general- > boun...@list.georgialibraries.org > <open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>] *On Behalf Of *Kathy > Lussier > *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 2:55 PM > *To:* open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Copy Count Display > > > > Hi Joan, > > My understanding is that the OPAC invisible copies should be included in > the copy counts in the client. I just did a brief test and found that Lost > copies were part of the copy count in the client, even though it wasn't in > the public catalog. > > However, from reading your question, it sounds like it's really related to > showing counts for an OU that is a child of the search OU. In your example, > then, if the user is searching Pepperell, they would see the
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Copy Count Display
Thanks Kathy. I'm glad it made sense. It is a real workflow problem for some of our libraries. Joan Joan Kranich Member Services Supervisor C/W MARS, Inc. 508-755-3323, ext. 321 or ext. 1 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Lussier Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 8:59 AM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Copy Count Display Ah, ok! It looks like I was wrong in my earlier e-mail. The preferred library does show in the counts, and I see what you're saying. The non-visible copies display in the counts if the branch is the search library or for parents of the search library. However, when the count is for the preferred library, you are correct that it's not displaying non-visible copies, which is inconsistent with the other counts. I would consider this to be a bug. I don't see an existing one in Launchpad, so I think we'll need to file on. Kathy On 08/23/2016 08:44 AM, Joan Kranich wrote: Hi Kathy, Thank you for your quick response. Yes, I want to see the count for the preferred library or basically the library that I am logged in as. It's the line: 1 of 1 copy available at Pepperell Lawrence Library. I'll try to explain it better. I am logged into the client as Pepperell (Pepperell Lawrence Library). My Search Preferences are set for Default Search Library C/W MARS and Preferred Library Pepperell. The Search All CWMARS screenshot attached shows Invisible which is owned by Pepperell and has a status of Available. The search was done for all C/W MARS. The copy count shows this item in the count of 1 of 1 copy available at Pepperell Lawrence Library. The second screenshot, Betrayed (2007), is a search of all C/W MARS and a copy count does not display for Pepperell. Pepperell owns a copy and it has a status of Damaged which is not set to be OPAC visible. The third screenshot, Betrayed, is a search scoped to Pepperell and the copy count shows the damaged item in the Pepperell copy count. I would like the damaged item to also show in the copy count when searching all C/W MARS. It seems to be the Copy Status setting of not OPAC Visible that is preventing the display of the damaged item in the copy count. Items with other statuses that are not status Available but are OPAC Visible such as our status Walk In Loan do display in the Pepperell (library) copy count when searched as all C/W MARS. Thanks for your help. Joan Joan Kranich Member Services Supervisor C/W MARS, Inc. 508-755-3323, ext. 321 or ext. 1 From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Lussier Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 2:55 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Copy Count Display Hi Joan, My understanding is that the OPAC invisible copies should be included in the copy counts in the client. I just did a brief test and found that Lost copies were part of the copy count in the client, even though it wasn't in the public catalog. However, from reading your question, it sounds like it's really related to showing counts for an OU that is a child of the search OU. In your example, then, if the user is searching Pepperell, they would see the count for the Pepperell Lawrence Library, whether that count happens to include OPAC visible items or not. The quick answer is that you currently can't do that, but I could see this being a Wishlist bug in Launchpad. I think it would need to consider the user's preferred library. If there are many children for your search org unit, the catalog would need to know which branch's copy count to display. I could see something that shows the copy count for the user's preferred library if it is a child of the search org unit. Also adding a note that those copies should already be displaying at the top of the list of holdings. Kathy On 08/22/2016 01:47 PM, Joan Kranich wrote: Hello, We have some of our copy statuses such as Lost set to not be visible is the public OPAC. The copies are visible in the client. However on the title search results screen the copies are not included in the copy count display for the library if the search is done at the system/consortia level, for example the 0 of 1 count available at the Library. If searched at the library level the 0 of 1 count available displays as shown below. [cid:image001.jpg@01D1FD1D.EE01A860] Is it possible to have the copy count display for the library when searched at the system level for copies with statuses that are set invisible? For staff this is helpful. Thanks. Joan Joan Kranich Member Services Supervisor C/W MARS, Inc. 508-755-3323, ext. 321 or ext. 1 -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.org<mailto:kluss...@masslnc.org> T
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Copy Count Display
Ah, ok! It looks like I was wrong in my earlier e-mail. The preferred library does show in the counts, and I see what you're saying. The non-visible copies display in the counts if the branch is the search library or for parents of the search library. However, when the count is for the preferred library, you are correct that it's not displaying non-visible copies, which is inconsistent with the other counts. I would consider this to be a bug. I don't see an existing one in Launchpad, so I think we'll need to file on. Kathy On 08/23/2016 08:44 AM, Joan Kranich wrote: Hi Kathy, Thank you for your quick response. Yes, I want to see the count for the preferred library or basically the library that I am logged in as. It’s the line: /1 of 1 copy available at Pepperell Lawrence Library./ I’ll try to explain it better. I am logged into the client as Pepperell (Pepperell Lawrence Library). My Search Preferences are set for Default Search Library C/W MARS and Preferred Library Pepperell. The Search All CWMARS screenshot attached shows Invisible which is owned by Pepperell and has a status of Available. The search was done for all C/W MARS. The copy count shows this item in the count of /1 of 1 copy available at Pepperell Lawrence Library./ // The second screenshot, Betrayed (2007), is a search of all C/W MARS and a copy count does not display for Pepperell. Pepperell owns a copy and it has a status of Damaged which is not set to be OPAC visible. The third screenshot, Betrayed, is a search scoped to Pepperell and the copy count shows the damaged item in the Pepperell copy count. I would like the damaged item to also show in the copy count when searching all C/W MARS. It seems to be the Copy Status setting of not OPAC Visible that is preventing the display of the damaged item in the copy count. Items with other statuses that are not status Available but are OPAC Visible such as our status Walk In Loan do display in the Pepperell (library) copy count when searched as all C/W MARS. Thanks for your help. Joan Joan Kranich Member Services Supervisor C/W MARS, Inc. 508-755-3323, ext. 321 or ext. 1 *From:*Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathy Lussier *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 2:55 PM *To:* open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Copy Count Display Hi Joan, My understanding is that the OPAC invisible copies should be included in the copy counts in the client. I just did a brief test and found that Lost copies were part of the copy count in the client, even though it wasn't in the public catalog. However, from reading your question, it sounds like it's really related to showing counts for an OU that is a child of the search OU. In your example, then, if the user is searching Pepperell, they would see the count for the Pepperell Lawrence Library, whether that count happens to include OPAC visible items or not. The quick answer is that you currently can't do that, but I could see this being a Wishlist bug in Launchpad. I think it would need to consider the user's preferred library. If there are many children for your search org unit, the catalog would need to know which branch's copy count to display. I could see something that shows the copy count for the user's preferred library if it is a child of the search org unit. Also adding a note that those copies should already be displaying at the top of the list of holdings. Kathy On 08/22/2016 01:47 PM, Joan Kranich wrote: Hello, We have some of our copy statuses such as Lost set to not be visible is the public OPAC. The copies are visible in the client. However on the title search results screen the copies are not included in the copy count display for the library if the search is done at the system/consortia level, for example the /0 of 1 count available at the Library/. If searched at the library level the /0 of 1 count available /displays as shown below. Is it possible to have the copy count display for the library when searched at the system level for copies with statuses that are set invisible? For staff this is helpful. Thanks. Joan Joan Kranich Member Services Supervisor C/W MARS, Inc. 508-755-3323, ext. 321 or ext. 1 -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.org <mailto:kluss...@masslnc.org> Twitter:http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Copy Count Display
Hi Joan, My understanding is that the OPAC invisible copies should be included in the copy counts in the client. I just did a brief test and found that Lost copies were part of the copy count in the client, even though it wasn't in the public catalog. However, from reading your question, it sounds like it's really related to showing counts for an OU that is a child of the search OU. In your example, then, if the user is searching Pepperell, they would see the count for the Pepperell Lawrence Library, whether that count happens to include OPAC visible items or not. The quick answer is that you currently can't do that, but I could see this being a Wishlist bug in Launchpad. I think it would need to consider the user's preferred library. If there are many children for your search org unit, the catalog would need to know which branch's copy count to display. I could see something that shows the copy count for the user's preferred library if it is a child of the search org unit. Also adding a note that those copies should already be displaying at the top of the list of holdings. Kathy On 08/22/2016 01:47 PM, Joan Kranich wrote: Hello, We have some of our copy statuses such as Lost set to not be visible is the public OPAC. The copies are visible in the client. However on the title search results screen the copies are not included in the copy count display for the library if the search is done at the system/consortia level, for example the /0 of 1 count available at the Library/. If searched at the library level the /0 of 1 count available /displays as shown below. Is it possible to have the copy count display for the library when searched at the system level for copies with statuses that are set invisible? For staff this is helpful. Thanks. Joan Joan Kranich Member Services Supervisor C/W MARS, Inc. 508-755-3323, ext. 321 or ext. 1 -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
