Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog
Jason, Oh good!I was worried there for a minute. That is wonderful! We like it. I will do some testing to make sure... Thanks! Jennifer -Original Message- From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jason Stephenson Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:00 PM To: OpenILS General List Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog Jennifer, Dan's previous message explains the function better than I did. After looking more carefully it hides the place hold button unless no copies are locally available. As long as staff are able to place unfillable holds, then the place hold link will always show up in the staff client. HtH, Jason On 01/10/2018 05:37 PM, Walz, Jennifer wrote: > Jason, > > Thanks. Good to know. We have set this and I think it will be fine as > being removed from every screen. We have so much trouble with holds now, > that I am completely ok with not having it there at all. > > When you say staff function is effected, do you mean this also messes with > the staff client in Evergreen? Now that would be just goofy. > > Jennifer > > -Original Message- > From: Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf > Of Jason Stephenson > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:35 PM > To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog > > Jennifer, > > My reading of the templates indicates that setting ctx.holds_block.enabled to > true will make the place hold link disappear, everywhere, even when there are > available copies. > > It will basically remove the ability of patrons to place holds. (Quite > possibly staff, too.) > > I may have missed something, but that is what I see. > > There is some logic there to only show the button if "available" copies show > up, but the OPAC's definition of available and yours may disagree. > The OPAC can't evaluate the hold matrix for instance. > > HtH, > Jason > > On 01/10/2018 04:12 PM, Walz, Jennifer wrote: >> Dan, >> >> >> >> Is this the real fix? The link will then go away on every screen? >> >> >> >> That would be wonderful! >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Jennifer >> >> >> >> *From:*Open-ils-general >> [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Dan Scott >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:09 PM >> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group >> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog >> >> >> >> I think you want to try "ctx.holds_block.enabled = 'true';" in >> config.tt2 in your public catalogue configuration file. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Walz, Jennifer > <mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>> wrote: >> >> All – >> >> >> >> IS there a way to prevent the “place a hold” link from showing up >> in the public catalog, everywhere?? We want it so ONLY show up on >> items that fill our hold requirement – those items that are checked >> out or NOT available. >> >> >> >> We have set the proper condition in the Library Settings to not >> have holds for available items, but the link still shows up in the >> public catalog for EVERYTHING. Can it be made to go away? What are >> the steps to make this happen? >> >> >> >> Right now it is so confusing to our users and they keep trying to >> “place a hold” on items that will never be holdable. It is >> extremely annoying. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Jennifer >> >> -- >> Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS confusion Kinlaw Library - *Asbury >> University* One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 >> 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu >> <mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog
Jennifer, Dan's previous message explains the function better than I did. After looking more carefully it hides the place hold button unless no copies are locally available. As long as staff are able to place unfillable holds, then the place hold link will always show up in the staff client. HtH, Jason On 01/10/2018 05:37 PM, Walz, Jennifer wrote: > Jason, > > Thanks. Good to know. We have set this and I think it will be fine as > being removed from every screen. We have so much trouble with holds now, > that I am completely ok with not having it there at all. > > When you say staff function is effected, do you mean this also messes with > the staff client in Evergreen? Now that would be just goofy. > > Jennifer > > -Original Message- > From: Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of > Jason Stephenson > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:35 PM > To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog > > Jennifer, > > My reading of the templates indicates that setting ctx.holds_block.enabled to > true will make the place hold link disappear, everywhere, even when there are > available copies. > > It will basically remove the ability of patrons to place holds. (Quite > possibly staff, too.) > > I may have missed something, but that is what I see. > > There is some logic there to only show the button if "available" copies show > up, but the OPAC's definition of available and yours may disagree. > The OPAC can't evaluate the hold matrix for instance. > > HtH, > Jason > > On 01/10/2018 04:12 PM, Walz, Jennifer wrote: >> Dan, >> >> >> >> Is this the real fix? The link will then go away on every screen? >> >> >> >> That would be wonderful! >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Jennifer >> >> >> >> *From:*Open-ils-general >> [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf >> Of *Dan Scott >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:09 PM >> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group >> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog >> >> >> >> I think you want to try "ctx.holds_block.enabled = 'true';" in >> config.tt2 in your public catalogue configuration file. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Walz, Jennifer > <mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>> wrote: >> >> All – >> >> >> >> IS there a way to prevent the “place a hold” link from showing up in >> the public catalog, everywhere?? We want it so ONLY show up on items >> that fill our hold requirement – those items that are checked out or >> NOT available. >> >> >> >> We have set the proper condition in the Library Settings to not have >> holds for available items, but the link still shows up in the public >> catalog for EVERYTHING. Can it be made to go away? What are the >> steps to make this happen? >> >> >> >> Right now it is so confusing to our users and they keep trying to >> “place a hold” on items that will never be holdable. It is >> extremely annoying. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Jennifer >> >> -- >> Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS confusion Kinlaw Library - *Asbury >> University* One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 >> 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu >> <mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog
Jason, Thanks. Good to know. We have set this and I think it will be fine as being removed from every screen. We have so much trouble with holds now, that I am completely ok with not having it there at all. When you say staff function is effected, do you mean this also messes with the staff client in Evergreen? Now that would be just goofy. Jennifer -Original Message- From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jason Stephenson Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:35 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog Jennifer, My reading of the templates indicates that setting ctx.holds_block.enabled to true will make the place hold link disappear, everywhere, even when there are available copies. It will basically remove the ability of patrons to place holds. (Quite possibly staff, too.) I may have missed something, but that is what I see. There is some logic there to only show the button if "available" copies show up, but the OPAC's definition of available and yours may disagree. The OPAC can't evaluate the hold matrix for instance. HtH, Jason On 01/10/2018 04:12 PM, Walz, Jennifer wrote: > Dan, > > > > Is this the real fix? The link will then go away on every screen? > > > > That would be wonderful! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jennifer > > > > *From:*Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf > Of *Dan Scott > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:09 PM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog > > > > I think you want to try "ctx.holds_block.enabled = 'true';" in > config.tt2 in your public catalogue configuration file. > > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Walz, Jennifer <mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>> wrote: > > All – > > > > IS there a way to prevent the “place a hold” link from showing up in > the public catalog, everywhere?? We want it so ONLY show up on items > that fill our hold requirement – those items that are checked out or > NOT available. > > > > We have set the proper condition in the Library Settings to not have > holds for available items, but the link still shows up in the public > catalog for EVERYTHING. Can it be made to go away? What are the > steps to make this happen? > > > > Right now it is so confusing to our users and they keep trying to > “place a hold” on items that will never be holdable. It is > extremely annoying. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jennifer > > -- > Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS confusion Kinlaw Library - *Asbury > University* One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 > 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu > <mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu> > > > > > > >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog
Hi Jennifer: I think so. The intention of the ctx.holds_block.enabled setting is to only enable the "Place Hold" button for a given record if none of the items associated with that record are available (usually because they are all checked out, or on order). This is how many academic libraries (such as ours) operate, which is why Art Rhyno at Conifer invested the effort in developing the setting (and others improved it after). It's not perfect, but it mostly works. Per the 5.5 year-old(!) commit message: commit 8151ed9d949a6613c1bf40d605c59f2d07efd06c Author: Art Rhyno Date: Fri Jul 27 11:39:14 2012 -0400 Block "Place Hold" link in TPAC if item is available Suppress the display of the "Place Hold" link based on whether an item is available. This is set as a preference in config.tt2. Some sites may want the ability to place holds regardless of availability. Signed-off-by: Art Rhyno Signed-off-by: Dan Scott On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:12 PM, Walz, Jennifer wrote: > Dan, > > > > Is this the real fix? The link will then go away on every screen? > > > > That would be wonderful! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jennifer > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general- > boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Dan Scott > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:09 PM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog > > > > I think you want to try "ctx.holds_block.enabled = 'true';" in config.tt2 > in your public catalogue configuration file. > > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Walz, Jennifer > wrote: > > All – > > > > IS there a way to prevent the “place a hold” link from showing up in the > public catalog, everywhere?? We want it so ONLY show up on items that > fill our hold requirement – those items that are checked out or NOT > available. > > > > We have set the proper condition in the Library Settings to not have > holds for available items, but the link still shows up in the public > catalog for EVERYTHING. Can it be made to go away? What are the steps to > make this happen? > > > > Right now it is so confusing to our users and they keep trying to “place > a hold” on items that will never be holdable.It is extremely annoying. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jennifer > > -- > Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS confusion > Kinlaw Library - *Asbury University* > One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 > 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 <(859)%20858-3511> > jlw...@asbury.edu > > > > > > >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog
Jennifer, My reading of the templates indicates that setting ctx.holds_block.enabled to true will make the place hold link disappear, everywhere, even when there are available copies. It will basically remove the ability of patrons to place holds. (Quite possibly staff, too.) I may have missed something, but that is what I see. There is some logic there to only show the button if "available" copies show up, but the OPAC's definition of available and yours may disagree. The OPAC can't evaluate the hold matrix for instance. HtH, Jason On 01/10/2018 04:12 PM, Walz, Jennifer wrote: > Dan, > > > > Is this the real fix? The link will then go away on every screen? > > > > That would be wonderful! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jennifer > > > > *From:*Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf > Of *Dan Scott > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:09 PM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog > > > > I think you want to try "ctx.holds_block.enabled = 'true';" in > config.tt2 in your public catalogue configuration file. > > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Walz, Jennifer <mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>> wrote: > > All – > > > > IS there a way to prevent the “place a hold” link from showing up in > the public catalog, everywhere?? We want it so ONLY show up on items > that fill our hold requirement – those items that are checked out or NOT > available. > > > > We have set the proper condition in the Library Settings to not have > holds for available items, but the link still shows up in the public > catalog for EVERYTHING. Can it be made to go away? What are the steps > to make this happen? > > > > Right now it is so confusing to our users and they keep trying to > “place a hold” on items that will never be holdable. It is extremely > annoying. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jennifer > > -- > Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS confusion > Kinlaw Library - *Asbury University* > One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 > 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 > jlw...@asbury.edu <mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu> > > > > > > >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog
Dan, Is this the real fix? The link will then go away on every screen? That would be wonderful! Thanks! Jennifer From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Dan Scott Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:09 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog I think you want to try "ctx.holds_block.enabled = 'true';" in config.tt2 in your public catalogue configuration file. On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Walz, Jennifer mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>> wrote: All – IS there a way to prevent the “place a hold” link from showing up in the public catalog, everywhere?? We want it so ONLY show up on items that fill our hold requirement – those items that are checked out or NOT available. We have set the proper condition in the Library Settings to not have holds for available items, but the link still shows up in the public catalog for EVERYTHING. Can it be made to go away? What are the steps to make this happen? Right now it is so confusing to our users and they keep trying to “place a hold” on items that will never be holdable.It is extremely annoying. Thanks! Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS confusion Kinlaw Library - Asbury University One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu<mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog
Hi! So you don’t want patrons to place hold on items that are on the shelf? You don’t run a pull holds list? Diane Disbro Circulation Coordinator/Branch Manager Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 308 Hawthorne Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 www.scenicregional.org From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Walz, Jennifer Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:32 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog All – IS there a way to prevent the “place a hold” link from showing up in the public catalog, everywhere?? We want it so ONLY show up on items that fill our hold requirement – those items that are checked out or NOT available. We have set the proper condition in the Library Settings to not have holds for available items, but the link still shows up in the public catalog for EVERYTHING. Can it be made to go away? What are the steps to make this happen? Right now it is so confusing to our users and they keep trying to “place a hold” on items that will never be holdable.It is extremely annoying. Thanks! Jennifer -- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS confusion Kinlaw Library - Asbury University One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Holds in the public catalog
I think you want to try "ctx.holds_block.enabled = 'true';" in config.tt2 in your public catalogue configuration file. On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Walz, Jennifer wrote: > All – > > > > IS there a way to prevent the “place a hold” link from showing up in the > public catalog, everywhere?? We want it so ONLY show up on items that > fill our hold requirement – those items that are checked out or NOT > available. > > > > We have set the proper condition in the Library Settings to not have > holds for available items, but the link still shows up in the public > catalog for EVERYTHING. Can it be made to go away? What are the steps to > make this happen? > > > > Right now it is so confusing to our users and they keep trying to “place > a hold” on items that will never be holdable.It is extremely annoying. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jennifer > > -- > Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS confusion > Kinlaw Library - *Asbury University* > One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 > 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 <(859)%20858-3511> > jlw...@asbury.edu > > > > >
