[OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Alex
Hi all, Please help me to make a decision here. I am trying to determine whether Openafs is the right choice for us and it is not clear for me if modifying client's firewall is mandatory or not. The situation is like this: -all Openafs servers are behind the same NAT firewall. Firewall rules can

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 09:30 +0200, Alex wrote: Now, I didn't find in the admin guide or wiki[1] some useful information about client's firewall, but I could find some information on the Internet saying that client doesn't work without opening 7001 for incoming UDP [2]. This should be open for

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Stephan Wiesand
On 2014-08-05, at 15:08, Brandon Allbery ballb...@sinenomine.net wrote: On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 09:30 +0200, Alex wrote: Now, I didn't find in the admin guide or wiki[1] some useful information about client's firewall, but I could find some information on the Internet saying that client

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Stephan Wiesand
On 2014-08-05, at 9:30, Alex euergetiko...@gmail.com wrote: Please help me to make a decision here. I am trying to determine whether Openafs is the right choice for us and it is not clear for me if modifying client's firewall is mandatory or not. The situation is like this: -all Openafs

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Alex
On 08/05/14 15:08, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 09:30 +0200, Alex wrote: Now, I didn't find in the admin guide or wiki[1] some useful information about client's firewall, but I could find some information on the Internet saying that client doesn't work without opening 7001 for

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: Authentication without aklog

2014-08-05 Thread Douglas E Engert
On 8/4/2014 9:35 PM, Andrew Deason wrote: On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 15:21:36 -0500 Douglas E Engert deeng...@gmail.com wrote: User's have to login to other network file systems like DropBox, Box, or other Cloud systems. The issue of having to login twice, is a trust issue. Users live with it

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 16:12 +0200, Alex wrote: Parallel access is a must for us.The main concern is the possibility that one client overwrites modifications of another one who is editing the file in the same time. This is going to bite you if you don't have callbacks working. -- brandon s

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Jeffrey Altman
On 8/5/2014 3:30 AM, Alex wrote: Hi all, Please help me to make a decision here. I am trying to determine whether Openafs is the right choice for us and it is not clear for me if modifying client's firewall is mandatory or not. The situation is like this: -all Openafs servers are behind

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: Authentication without aklog

2014-08-05 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 09:34 -0500, Douglas E Engert wrote: A side question is can AFS use some other authentication method other then Kerberos? Not yet. This is one of the things rxgk is supposed to address; we can then use any GSSAPI-provided service. (The Globus stuff included a minimal

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Simon Wilkinson
On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:08, Brandon Allbery ballb...@sinenomine.net wrote: On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 09:30 +0200, Alex wrote: Now, I didn't find in the admin guide or wiki[1] some useful information about client's firewall, but I could find some information on the Internet saying that client

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 16:08 +0100, Simon Wilkinson wrote: The complication is that firewalls/NATs only preserve these mappings for a finite length of time. We attempt to keep them open through regular fileserver pings, but sometimes that isn't enough. When a mapping expires, the client is

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Simon Wilkinson
On 5 Aug 2014, at 16:09, Brandon Allbery ballb...@sinenomine.net wrote: On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 16:08 +0100, Simon Wilkinson wrote: The complication is that firewalls/NATs only preserve these mappings for a finite length of time. We attempt to keep them open through regular fileserver pings,

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: Authentication without aklog

2014-08-05 Thread Simon Wilkinson
On 5 Aug 2014, at 15:57, Brandon Allbery ballb...@sinenomine.net wrote: Not yet. This is one of the things rxgk is supposed to address; we can then use any GSSAPI-provided service. (The Globus stuff included a minimal GSSAPI support mechanism with a number of shortcomings, IIRC.) The Globus

[OpenAFS] Re: client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Andrew Deason
On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:12:41 +0200 Alex euergetiko...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/05/14 15:08, Brandon Allbery wrote: So you might be able to get by with just running fs checkvolumes periodically in a cron job to make up for missing callback breaks on volume releases. That only refreshes the

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 10:36 -0500, Andrew Deason wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:12:41 +0200 Alex euergetiko...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/05/14 15:08, Brandon Allbery wrote: So you might be able to get by with just running fs checkvolumes periodically in a cron job to make up for missing

[OpenAFS] Re: Authentication without aklog

2014-08-05 Thread Andrew Deason
On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 09:34:30 -0500 Douglas E Engert deeng...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/4/2014 9:35 PM, Andrew Deason wrote: Users of all other kerberized services do not need to login to every service they use. If everything is configured properly to use kerberos, I don't need to separately

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Alex
On 08/05/14 17:36, Andrew Deason wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:12:41 +0200 Alex euergetiko...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Thank you all for answering, I guess we should test it more carefully to check how it will work. Parallel access is a must for us.The main concern is the possibility that

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: Authentication without aklog

2014-08-05 Thread Douglas E Engert
On 8/5/2014 10:43 AM, Andrew Deason wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 09:34:30 -0500 Douglas E Engert deeng...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/4/2014 9:35 PM, Andrew Deason wrote: Users of all other kerberized services do not need to login to every service they use. If everything is configured properly to

Re: [OpenAFS] client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Alex
On 08/05/14 16:55, Jeffrey Altman wrote: -all Openafs servers are behind the same NAT firewall. Firewall rules can be changed. How many OpenAFS servers and how many public IP addresses on the NAT? to simplify for now, and for testing, we will use just one machine with one IP behind the

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Simon Wilkinson
On 5 Aug 2014, at 17:21, Alex euergetiko...@gmail.com wrote: yes, what I meant is that I need the client to be aware that some other client is editing, (and refresh the cache), which is the function of callback if I am not mistaken. As I understand, this is not possible behind a NAT

[OpenAFS] Re: client behind NAT firewall

2014-08-05 Thread Andrew Deason
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:39:48 + Brandon Allbery ballb...@sinenomine.net wrote: On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 10:36 -0500, Andrew Deason wrote: On 08/05/14 15:08, Brandon Allbery wrote: So you might be able to get by with just running fs checkvolumes periodically in a cron job to make up for

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: Authentication without aklog

2014-08-05 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 09:34 -0500, Douglas E Engert wrote: A side question is can AFS use some other authentication method other then Kerberos? Not yet. This is one of the things rxgk is supposed to address; we can then use any GSSAPI-provided