Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Dileep V S
Hi Ian/Marcus, Thanks everybody for a healthy discussion that I am sure will help many implementors. My idea was not to belittle what the community has achieved with the limited resources. That would be unkind on my part to all the community members who have(and continue to) invested their time

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Marcus, Thanks for your support. I would love to see NHSX support something like this, especially as I know the FHIR folks are going down that road and we need something that goes well beyond just openEHR artefacts and into termsets, valuesets, rules etc. Every community working on health

RE: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Bakke, Silje Ljosland via openEHR-clinical
Hi Paul, We recently challenged our regional health authorities about the governance of a structured EHR that you’re describing: “In all four regions, the procurement and/or introduction of structured EHR solutions is imminent. Three of the regions will use a common information standard in the

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Marcus Baw
Interesting discussion and I agree with Ian that the openEHR community should remember to give itself credit for what HAS been done, with very little resource, rather than beating themselves up about what tooling is missing from the ecosystem. An automated archetype package and dependency

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Paul, Nicely summed up. You definitely need to manage your CDR artefacts in just the same way as any other software libraries. This is currently more manually intensive than it should be but one can see how it could be largely automated However, maintaining coherent semantics is much more

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Paul Miller
Very timely discussion as we are hitting this issue right now in Scotland, and meeting together tomorrow to agree an approach - hopefully Silje and Ian joining us for that. We need not just versioning management of the content but also a way to agree a coherent set of archetypes and templates for

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Ian McNicoll
Thanks both, Very helpful. Just in case folks get too negative about what we have achieved, I am currently working on 4 different regional/national EHR projects. On all 4 projects, 80% of the content is covered by published (or at least very stable) international CKM archetypes. Once you get to

RE: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Bakke, Silje Ljosland via openEHR-clinical
Hi everyone, It seems like Dileep’s original questions have been largely answered by other members of the community, thank you!  There’s been some added discussion about the effects of changing archetypes on implementations and implementers. Heather wrote an email about this four years ago

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Ian McNicoll
I'll let Silje and Heather talk more about overall progress with the publication [process but we all have ot recognise that this is a huge job which just takes time. As Sebastian has said most of the work done, even at an editorial level is done by volunteers, in particular, the Norwegian CKM team

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Dileep V S
> > to download, for example click on the Details Button underneath each > archetype revision in the revision history. > You can also keep track of all the changes in the git repository at https://github.com/openEHR/CKM-mirror Thanks Sebastian. That is what I was looking for regards Dileep V

AW: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Sebastian Garde
To download, for example click on the Details Button underneath each archetype revision in the revision history. You can also keep track of all the changes in the git repository at https://github.com/openEHR/CKM-mirror While I obviously agree with the aim of everybody using the same archetypes,

Re: Downloading previous versions of archetypes from CKM

2019-05-28 Thread Dileep V S
> > An ideal scenario would be to have a record of the archetypes someone is > using, and when a new revision is published, run the diff between that and > the revision the implementer is using, and notify of possible > incompatibilities, that way we can know exactly what's wrong and fix >