Snomed / archetype binding rules (was Re: procedure or finding?)

2008-04-21 Thread Sam Heard
Eric Browne wrote (but it did not get to the list for some reason) I consider this issue of term/terminology binding and SNOMED particularly important and so worth clarifying the concepts and also articulating some principles. I've drafted some preliminary notes - now on the openEHR wiki (thanks

Snomed / archetype binding rules (was Re: procedure or finding?)

2008-04-17 Thread Thomas Beale
AThomas Beale wrote: they are working on the syntax, although it seems relatively solid at the moment. We are also working collectively within the NHS-sponsored Technical Advisory Group (TAG) on this. David Markwell is currently authoring an in-depth report on how to bind such exprssions to

procedure or finding?

2008-04-17 Thread Daniel Karlsson
Hi, I think I thoroughly agree with Sam on most things, but would like to add another example: Urine? Acebutolol; arbitrary concentration(IOC Screen; 0 1) M = 336,43 g/mol Authority: IOC; IFCC/C-LDA; INN NPU01001 U?Acebutolol;arb.c.(IOC Screen;

procedure or finding?

2008-04-16 Thread Thomas Beale
Andrew, Finding codes in this case are what should be used - procedure codes are also used in openEHR archetypes - but in orders (i..e INSTRUCTIONs). We need to be extremely careful not to mix them up, in case users/application software does queries based only on Snomed codes and ignores

procedure or finding?

2008-04-16 Thread Karsten Hilbert
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 02:17:09PM +0200, Thilo Schuler wrote: This is a bit problematic as there is one subconcept Urine dipstick test finding (finding) - 417597005 mentions urine explicitly while the others don't. Clinically, to my knowledge, in 99,99% urine will be tested with a dipstick.

procedure or finding?

2008-04-16 Thread Daniel Karlsson
Dear Everyone, as said before Snomed (mostly) models lab properties as procedures and most other properties as observables. There might however be a change and a lab observable hierarchy (whatever a lab observable is?) is under discussion. Again however, the issue is a bit more tricky as some,