Re: SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread Bert Verhees
Diego, this is a wise thought!!! It seems logical, but that is often in good ideas, they seem like: why did no one ever think about this. No clinician handles the complete medical science/SNOMED repository in his profession. Some even use a very small sub-part, think about a dentist, a

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread GF
Dear Silje, I think we agree. In my view it is not wise to use pre-coorinated codes that include contextual information. The reason is that the complete why, when, who and how result in too many permutations in order to be tractable. One must make the distinction between how data is expressed

Re: SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread Diego Boscá
IMO having both representations (pre and postcordinated) is not bad per se (in fact, knowing that they are equivalent is pretty good). The main problem is that technical people (including myself) shouldn't just dump the entire snomed ct into a data field and call it a day. To design better and

RE: SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread A Verhees
Maybe a match-table which matches pre coordinated expressions to all possible post coordinated expressions which have the same meaning will be necessary. How can you else find data-entries of a specific meaning by filtering on SNOMED? Bert Op 23 mrt. 2018 10:35 schreef "Bakke, Silje Ljosland" <

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread GF
Thomas, I agree with your opinions. In summary: Model 1- Ontological models define primitive concepts in Terminologies. Concepts that one can expect to see in a dictionary. Model 2- Archetypes define compound concepts using primitive concepts from terminologies. Archetypes are models that

RE: SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread Bakke, Silje Ljosland
I read Thomas' reply with great interest, and I generally agree that with a well thought out information model, the very detailed precoordinated expressions are redundant. At the same time I understand Mikael's point of view too. BUT, what I'm often met with is that because these precoordinated

Re: SV: SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread Thomas Beale
Hi Mikael, On 23/03/2018 09:05, Mikael Nyström wrote: Hi tom, I can agree with you that if SNOMED CT was created when all patients in the world already had all information in their health record recorded using cleverly built and structured information models (like archetypes, templates

SV: SV: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread Mikael Nyström
Hi tom, I can agree with you that if SNOMED CT was created when all patients in the world already had all information in their health record recorded using cleverly built and structured information models (like archetypes, templates and similar), but that is not the case. Instead SNOMED CT