Description of files from Template Designer?
Hi, I read the Template OM linked in the previous email(from wiki) http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/spec/openEHR+Templates+and+Specialised+Archetypes , but I couldn't find complete information about Methods, their input values and outputs, etc. In donated java code from Zilic company, there's no documentation either. Can anyone suggest another resource? I need to understand all those methods in detail to be able to create a GUI based on Templates for my application. Regards Pariya On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Ian McNicoll wrote: Hi Olef, I'm sure someone from Ocean with more detailed technical knowledge will give a more precise answer but you might consider using the forthcoming formal openEHR Operational Template specification for this sort of exercise. I have been working with Derek Hoy's Clinical Templates project (www.ClinTemplate.org), which uses a simple web- based approach to gathering clinical data entry requirements and at present uses a custom internal XML format. We are lookng (fairly quickly) to use the openEHR operational Template specificaction (OPT) as the back-end formalism. We think this approach will be much easier as the Oet files only contain the constraints on underlying archetypes (effectively a diff) whilst the OPT format contains the underlying archetypes themeselves and can be easily used to generate XSDs or other artefacts. see http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/spec/openEHR+Templates+and+Specialised+Archetypes The openEHR specification is very close to completion. It would be interesting to know more about your project. We are aware of a requirement for a data-entry/UI requirements gathering tool which, though based on openEHR templates, goes somewhat beyond their natural domain in capturing further UI requirements and rules. The Clinical Templates work has more of a focus on generic infomation standards capture, rather than specific local data-entry but there is considerable cross-over. Regards, Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office / fax +44(0)141 560 4657 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian at mcmi.co.uk Clinical Analyst - Ocean Informatics ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Member of BCS Primary Health Care Specialist Group ? www.phcsg.org 2008/11/6 Olof Torgersson oloft at chalmers.se Hi, Sorry if this is the wrong forum. Is there a description somewhere of the oet-files produced by the Ocean Informatics Template Designer? I would like to use the templates in an application as a basis for input forms, but then I need a specification of the file-contents. Regards Olof Torgersson --- Olof Torgersson Associate Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden email: oloft at chalmers.se phone: +46 31 772 54 06 ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical Regards Pariya PhD Student Interaction Design Division Department of Computing Science and Engineering Chalmers University of Technology Email: hajar.kashfi at chalmers.se Office:+46 (0)31 7725407 Mobile Phone: +46 (0)707222815 Web: http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~hajar.kashfi/ Visit: Room Simula B, House Svea, Campus Lindholmen Postal adress: Email: hajar.kashfi at chalmers.se Phone: +46 31 772 5407 Office: Room Simula B, House Svea, Campus Lindholmen Postal Address: Chalmers University of Technology, SE- 412 96 Gothenburg, Sweden -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20081118/4443b91a/attachment.html
Description of files from Template Designer?
There's nothing much yet at trunk-zm-merge, but the code at http://svn.openehr.org/ref_impl_java/SANDBOX/zilics-models/ seems to be doing a lot of what we are looking for. regards Olof 6 nov 2008 kl. 17.17 skrev Fabiane Bizinella Nardon: Olof, In http://svn.openehr.org/ref_impl_java/BRANCHES/trunk-zm-merge/ you will find the XSDs that describe the OET format. These XSDs were based on a draft version of the Template specification and may not be up to date with the current version of the specification, but it is a start point. This link points to a java implementation of the openEHR models that was donated by Zilics. There is also a Template parser that you can use to read the OET files representing templates and transform them in Java objects. If you're trying to implement an input interface from templates, you can also use the metadata feature of this implementation. You can use metadata to associate GUI-Hints to archetypes or templates, what will help you to create useful interfaces automatically. Please, see this post: http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/private/ref_impl_java/2008-November/000975.html for more information on what is available. Fabiane Fabiane Bizinella Nardon CTO Zilics www.zilics.com.br Ian McNicoll wrote: Hi Olef, I'm sure someone from Ocean with more detailed technical knowledge will give a more precise answer but you might consider using the forthcoming formal openEHR Operational Template specification for this sort of exercise. I have been working with Derek Hoy's Clinical Templates project (www.ClinTemplate.org http://www.ClinTemplate.org), which uses a simple web-based approach to gathering clinical data entry requirements and at present uses a custom internal XML format. We are lookng (fairly quickly) to use the openEHR operational Template specificaction (OPT) as the back-end formalism. We think this approach will be much easier as the Oet files only contain the constraints on underlying archetypes (effectively a diff) whilst the OPT format contains the underlying archetypes themeselves and can be easily used to generate XSDs or other artefacts. see http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/spec/openEHR+Templates+and+Specialised+Archetypes The openEHR specification is very close to completion. It would be interesting to know more about your project. We are aware of a requirement for a data-entry/UI requirements gathering tool which, though based on openEHR templates, goes somewhat beyond their natural domain in capturing further UI requirements and rules. The Clinical Templates work has more of a focus on generic infomation standards capture, rather than specific local data-entry but there is considerable cross-over. Regards, Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office / fax +44(0)141 560 4657 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian at mcmi.co.uk mailto:ian at mcmi.co.uk Clinical Analyst - Ocean Informatics ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com mailto:ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Member of BCS Primary Health Care Specialist Group ? www.phcsg.org http://www.phcsg.org 2008/11/6 Olof Torgersson oloft at chalmers.se mailto:oloft at chalmers.se Hi, Sorry if this is the wrong forum. Is there a description somewhere of the oet-files produced by the Ocean Informatics Template Designer? I would like to use the templates in an application as a basis for input forms, but then I need a specification of the file-contents. Regards Olof Torgersson --- Olof Torgersson Associate Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden email: oloft at chalmers.se mailto:oloft at chalmers.se phone: +46 31 772 54 06 ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org mailto:openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical --- Olof Torgersson Associate Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden email: oloft at chalmers.se phone: +46 31 772 54 06 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
Description of files from Template Designer?
Hi Olof, Ocean currently does what you are intending to do here but we do not use the .OET file. As mentioned by others, the .OET only represents the references to archetypes and the additional constraint rules to apply to those archetypes. To utilise this for anything of use you need to combine the template, archetypes and rules together in memory before applying any additional logic to the template definition. BTW, the latest OET schema is always deployed with the Template Design in the schemas folder. As indicated by Ian, the Operational Template is what is intended to be used for software operations beyond the knowledge design process. The Ocean Template Designer has an Operational Template export function (File/Export/ as Operational Template). This features is continuing to be debugged with new template use case so depending on what version of the Template Designer you have, the resulting Operational Template may still have some issues. Using the latest Beta release (https://wiki.oceaninformatics.com/confluence/display/TTL/Template+Designer+ Beta+Release) is recommended and to return to for Beta updates on a regular basis. I can provide you with the current Operational Template schema that extends the Archetype schema. This schema (see https://wiki.oceaninformatics.com/confluence/display/TTL/Template+Designer+R esources) is relatively close to the new Template Object Model draft (available on the Wiki) but will be updated in the next couple of months to align with this new draft. Any migration from this OPT format to the new TOM will be much smaller than transitioning from OET to the TOM. From this OPT you can produce all sorts of artefacts, we produce an abstract form definition from which we can produce web forms in ASP.Net, Template Data Schemas (XML Schema), Template Data Objects (c# classes), HTML Documentation, Composition Prototypes (empty composition data instances). The OPT is a pivotal artefact bridging between the Knowledge Designs and Operational Software. Heath From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Olof Torgersson Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 8:39 PM To: openEHR technical discussions Subject: Description of files from Template Designer? Hi, Sorry if this is the wrong forum. Is there a description somewhere of the oet-files produced by the Ocean Informatics Template Designer? I would like to use the templates in an application as a basis for input forms, but then I need a specification of the file-contents. Regards Olof Torgersson --- Olof Torgersson Associate Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden email: oloft at chalmers.se phone: +46 31 772 54 06 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20081107/261c34dd/attachment.html
Description of files from Template Designer?
Hi, Sorry if this is the wrong forum. Is there a description somewhere of the oet-files produced by the Ocean Informatics Template Designer? I would like to use the templates in an application as a basis for input forms, but then I need a specification of the file-contents. Regards Olof Torgersson --- Olof Torgersson Associate Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden email: oloft at chalmers.se phone: +46 31 772 54 06 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20081106/3d40379c/attachment.html
Description of files from Template Designer?
Hi Olef, I'm sure someone from Ocean with more detailed technical knowledge will give a more precise answer but you might consider using the forthcoming formal openEHR Operational Template specification for this sort of exercise. I have been working with Derek Hoy's Clinical Templates project ( www.ClinTemplate.org), which uses a simple web-based approach to gathering clinical data entry requirements and at present uses a custom internal XML format. We are lookng (fairly quickly) to use the openEHR operational Template specificaction (OPT) as the back-end formalism. We think this approach will be much easier as the Oet files only contain the constraints on underlying archetypes (effectively a diff) whilst the OPT format contains the underlying archetypes themeselves and can be easily used to generate XSDs or other artefacts. see http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/spec/openEHR+Templates+and+Specialised+Archetypes The openEHR specification is very close to completion. It would be interesting to know more about your project. We are aware of a requirement for a data-entry/UI requirements gathering tool which, though based on openEHR templates, goes somewhat beyond their natural domain in capturing further UI requirements and rules. The Clinical Templates work has more of a focus on generic infomation standards capture, rather than specific local data-entry but there is considerable cross-over. Regards, Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office / fax +44(0)141 560 4657 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian at mcmi.co.uk Clinical Analyst - Ocean Informatics ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Member of BCS Primary Health Care Specialist Group ? www.phcsg.org 2008/11/6 Olof Torgersson oloft at chalmers.se Hi, Sorry if this is the wrong forum. Is there a description somewhere of the oet-files produced by the Ocean Informatics Template Designer? I would like to use the templates in an application as a basis for input forms, but then I need a specification of the file-contents. Regards Olof Torgersson --- Olof Torgersson Associate Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden email: oloft at chalmers.se phone: +46 31 772 54 06 ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20081106/f89539a7/attachment.html
Description of files from Template Designer?
Thanks for your reply. Clinical templates seems like an interesting project. Considering my project, I've been working for several years in a project where we have developed tools that let clinicans define their clinical models/templates themselves. These templates are then read by software that instantiates them into tools for data-entry. We currently have GUI:s for Web, a desktop application and PDA. The tools have been used for entering data during some 15-2 examaninations in several projects, mostly within the field of oral medicine. In spirit our approach is similar to the ideas with archetypes and templates used in openEHR. Since we are using our own formats to model clinical data, which no-one alse can use, we are looking into adopting openEHR. One could say that I'm conducing a feasibility study, where being able to create archetypes and templates and then read them into our software is a first necessary step. regards Olof Ian McNicoll skrev: Hi Olef, I'm sure someone from Ocean with more detailed technical knowledge will give a more precise answer but you might consider using the forthcoming formal openEHR Operational Template specification for this sort of exercise. I have been working with Derek Hoy's Clinical Templates project (www.ClinTemplate.org http://www.ClinTemplate.org), which uses a simple web-based approach to gathering clinical data entry requirements and at present uses a custom internal XML format. We are lookng (fairly quickly) to use the openEHR operational Template specificaction (OPT) as the back-end formalism. We think this approach will be much easier as the Oet files only contain the constraints on underlying archetypes (effectively a diff) whilst the OPT format contains the underlying archetypes themeselves and can be easily used to generate XSDs or other artefacts. see http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/spec/openEHR+Templates+and+Specialised+Archetypes The openEHR specification is very close to completion. It would be interesting to know more about your project. We are aware of a requirement for a data-entry/UI requirements gathering tool which, though based on openEHR templates, goes somewhat beyond their natural domain in capturing further UI requirements and rules. The Clinical Templates work has more of a focus on generic infomation standards capture, rather than specific local data-entry but there is considerable cross-over. Regards, Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office / fax +44(0)141 560 4657 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian at mcmi.co.uk mailto:ian at mcmi.co.uk Clinical Analyst - Ocean Informatics ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com mailto:ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Member of BCS Primary Health Care Specialist Group ? www.phcsg.org http://www.phcsg.org 2008/11/6 Olof Torgersson oloft at chalmers.se mailto:oloft at chalmers.se Hi, Sorry if this is the wrong forum. Is there a description somewhere of the oet-files produced by the Ocean Informatics Template Designer? I would like to use the templates in an application as a basis for input forms, but then I need a specification of the file-contents. Regards Olof Torgersson --- Olof Torgersson Associate Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden email: oloft at chalmers.se mailto:oloft at chalmers.se phone: +46 31 772 54 06 ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org mailto:openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical
Description of files from Template Designer?
Olof, In http://svn.openehr.org/ref_impl_java/BRANCHES/trunk-zm-merge/ you will find the XSDs that describe the OET format. These XSDs were based on a draft version of the Template specification and may not be up to date with the current version of the specification, but it is a start point. This link points to a java implementation of the openEHR models that was donated by Zilics. There is also a Template parser that you can use to read the OET files representing templates and transform them in Java objects. If you're trying to implement an input interface from templates, you can also use the metadata feature of this implementation. You can use metadata to associate GUI-Hints to archetypes or templates, what will help you to create useful interfaces automatically. Please, see this post: http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/private/ref_impl_java/2008-November/000975.html for more information on what is available. Fabiane Fabiane Bizinella Nardon CTO Zilics www.zilics.com.br Ian McNicoll wrote: Hi Olef, I'm sure someone from Ocean with more detailed technical knowledge will give a more precise answer but you might consider using the forthcoming formal openEHR Operational Template specification for this sort of exercise. I have been working with Derek Hoy's Clinical Templates project (www.ClinTemplate.org http://www.ClinTemplate.org), which uses a simple web-based approach to gathering clinical data entry requirements and at present uses a custom internal XML format. We are lookng (fairly quickly) to use the openEHR operational Template specificaction (OPT) as the back-end formalism. We think this approach will be much easier as the Oet files only contain the constraints on underlying archetypes (effectively a diff) whilst the OPT format contains the underlying archetypes themeselves and can be easily used to generate XSDs or other artefacts. see http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/spec/openEHR+Templates+and+Specialised+Archetypes The openEHR specification is very close to completion. It would be interesting to know more about your project. We are aware of a requirement for a data-entry/UI requirements gathering tool which, though based on openEHR templates, goes somewhat beyond their natural domain in capturing further UI requirements and rules. The Clinical Templates work has more of a focus on generic infomation standards capture, rather than specific local data-entry but there is considerable cross-over. Regards, Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office / fax +44(0)141 560 4657 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian at mcmi.co.uk mailto:ian at mcmi.co.uk Clinical Analyst - Ocean Informatics ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com mailto:ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Member of BCS Primary Health Care Specialist Group ? www.phcsg.org http://www.phcsg.org 2008/11/6 Olof Torgersson oloft at chalmers.se mailto:oloft at chalmers.se Hi, Sorry if this is the wrong forum. Is there a description somewhere of the oet-files produced by the Ocean Informatics Template Designer? I would like to use the templates in an application as a basis for input forms, but then I need a specification of the file-contents. Regards Olof Torgersson --- Olof Torgersson Associate Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden email: oloft at chalmers.se mailto:oloft at chalmers.se phone: +46 31 772 54 06 ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org mailto:openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical
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