Hi
The specified terminology ( OID 2.16.578.1.12.4.1.7498 (Source of information) 
) is defined as  “options to specify the source of data for an allergic 
reaction” (my translation).

Which means this is specific for adverse reaction – and I think it should be 
archetyped to model this requirement. If it is only national then there should 
be some extension slots in the Archetypes – or we need some specialization of 
the Archetype to handle this.

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Emne: Re: Use of RM:provider

Hi Thomas,

I'm not convinced as yet that this is a universally useful requirement, 
particularly as we carry much of this source/ provenance metadata already.

@Silje - are the GPs expected to add this extra information to every Entry in 
the summary? That seems like a significant burden, and actually in many cases 
unknowable.

Ian



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On 17 January 2017 at 12:34, Thomas Beale 
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Ideally there would be one or more classifiers at the ENTRY level, something 
that does not exist today. There are some others that we will include, e.g. 
relating to epistemic_status.

I would follow Ian's suggestion on the extension slot; it may be that the 
coding recorded there may need to be adjusted to a new place in relevant 
archetypes later on. Not ideal, but not a big problem either, assuming they are 
not used to create data before that is done.

Ian - do we have a related PR mooted for RM Release-1.0.4?

- thomas

On 17/01/2017 11:22, Bakke, Silje Ljosland wrote:
Thank you Thomas and Ian!

This is indeed a national requirement, and one where we do need to represent 
the chosen value in a coded text element. The background here is an entry in 
the critical information part of the national summary record, ie an adverse 
reaction, complication from anaesthesia, critical condition, ongoing treatment, 
implant, change of treatment routine, or infection. Each of these will be 
either an EVALUATION.adverse_reaction_risk, EVALUATION.problem_diagnosis, or 
EVALUATION.precaution. The patient’s GP normally records the information, and 
this code set is supposed to be used to specify where the GP got the 
information about each of the entries from.

Regards,
Silje

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Subject: Re: Use of RM:provider

Hi Silje,

I would agree with your and Thomas's assessment. This codeset does not really 
fit with provider, or indeed with any other RM attributes, although many but 
not all of these items could be calculated/ derived from existing attributes.

I guess this is part of a national requirement, and is a similar issue to the 
one we faced in Sweden, where the V-TIM standard was largely aligned with 
openEHR but had some extra specific metadata around Contsys-2 that needed to be 
captured.

This was exactly the purpose for the Extension slot that we are adding to new 
archetypes, so that would be my suggestion. Having said that, I do wonder about 
the purpose of this data -where is the value, over and above what is already 
captured by native openEHR RM. This feels like largely a derived set of data 
for reporting purposes

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