CKM progress and RE: Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-06-21 Thread Heather Leslie
Subject: Re: Archetype versioning on CKM Erik, thanks for the pointer. I like this set of rules. It is not too different from the current draft identification spec http://www.openehr.org/svn/specification/TRUNK/publishing/architecture/am/k nowledge_id_system.pdf , and it would be easy to upgrade

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-06-16 Thread Thomas Beale
Erik, thanks for the pointer. I like this set of rules. It is not too different from the current draft identification spec http://www.openehr.org/svn/specification/TRUNK/publishing/architecture/am/knowledge_id_system.pdf, and it would be easy to upgrade it to reflect the SemVer rules more

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-06-14 Thread Erik Sundvall
Hi! I came to think of this openEHR versioning discussion thread when I read about the Semantic Versioning initiative at http://semver.org/ I think the reasoning there is very appropriate also for openEHR artifacts. The problem for openEHR might be that there are so many seemingly usable

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-04-28 Thread Diego Boscá
2011/4/28 Thomas Beale thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com: On 27/04/2011 10:44, Diego Bosc? wrote: I still don't see the problem If we wait until an archetype is published to care about versions then you will have v2 or v3 archetypes as much, which in my opinion breaks completely

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2011-04-28 Thread Heather Leslie
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2011-04-28 Thread David Moner
2011/4/28 Heather Leslie heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com Hi everyone, I think you are missing some of the further complexity here. There is a definite need for differentiation between draft and published archetypes for which a version number alone is not enough. Currently we are

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2011-04-28 Thread Heather Leslie
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2011-04-28 Thread Thomas Beale
On 28/04/2011 02:07, Heather Leslie wrote: Hi everyone, I think you are missing some of the further complexity here. There is a definite need for differentiation between draft and published archetypes for which a version number alone is not enough. Currently we are talking only about v1

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2011-04-28 Thread Thomas Beale
On 28/04/2011 13:15, Heather Leslie wrote: * do we go with starting at v0 or v1 (I still like v0 because it implies 'you will most likely get burnt by using this archetype in a real system, but have fun and tell us your experience')? Some current plans for CKM include

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2011-04-28 Thread Heather Leslie
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2011-04-27 Thread Diego Boscá
Hello, With the latest Demographic archetypes updates on the CKM I think we have to be careful with archetype versioning. The new archetypes seem quite different of the ones that were uploaded some time ago. They are different on structure but the version of the archetype has not been improved

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-04-27 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Diego, For those who are not aware, Diego is referring to a slew of updates to the Demographic archetypes, most in response to Review comments to the Name and Address archetypes. In many cases there have been significant structural changes and if any of these archetypes had been published, I

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2011-04-27 Thread Diego Boscá
So do you mean that only 23 (everything that is not draft) of the current 270 archetypes on the CKM are 'safe' to be used? Everything else could be completely changed in the next revision of the draft :( 2011/4/27 Ian McNicoll Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com: Hi Diego, For those who are

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2011-04-27 Thread Heather Leslie
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2011-04-27 Thread Diego Boscá
I am OK with all that, my only problem is that new iterations should make new versions if changes are enough (even in draft status). If not all current projects using archetypes will be just wrong with the 'official' current archetype in CKM The situation of two incompatible archetypes with the

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-04-27 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Diego, I will be interested in other opinions but I don't think that is really feasible for first draft archetypes. The only 'official' archetypes in CKM are those that are published. The remainder will definitely change, some quite substantially, as a result of clinical review and local

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-04-27 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Stefan, This is very helpful. As you suggest, it is not easy to reconcile the different speeds and requirements from all parties The next major upgrade of CKM due pretty soon will include a much more complete implementation of Release Sets which I think will help address this issue. In the

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-04-27 Thread David Moner
2011/4/27 Ian McNicoll Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com Would calling first draft archetypes .v0 help to highlight their fragility? In fact, that is what the specifications say. Our archetype editors should use 0 when creating a new archetype. (Knowledge Artefact Identification

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-04-27 Thread Diego Boscá
I still don't see the problem If we wait until an archetype is published to care about versions then you will have v2 or v3 archetypes as much, which in my opinion breaks completely versioning purpose. What is the problem with having a v27 archetype? Is it less pretty? 2011/4/27 Ian McNicoll

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-04-27 Thread Heath Frankel
April 2011 7:15 PM To: For openEHR clinical discussions Cc: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: Archetype versioning on CKM I still don't see the problem If we wait until an archetype is published to care about versions then you will have v2 or v3 archetypes as much, which in my

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-04-27 Thread Thomas Beale
On 27/04/2011 06:28, Diego Bosc? wrote: I am OK with all that, my only problem is that new iterations should make new versions if changes are enough (even in draft status). If not all current projects using archetypes will be just wrong with the 'official' current archetype in CKM The

Archetype versioning on CKM

2011-04-27 Thread Thomas Beale
On 27/04/2011 10:32, Ian McNicoll wrote: Hi David, Thanks for this, though I think these are still draft specifications. I had some input into that document but with experience I am not sure the revision rules really work for .v0 archetypes though the .v0 idea itself is useful. The