[openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

2006-12-11 Thread mspohr
The goal of the CPT code project would be to create a version of procedure codes for use in billing in the US that could be freely distributed. While it would be nice to fit this into an overarching ontology, this would introduce overhead which is not warranted. The CPT codes themselves are a

[openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

2006-12-11 Thread mspohr
The codes would be the same as those that they currently accept (i.e. the AMA CPT codes) so there is no issue with the codes. The problem with the AMA is that they copyright the descriptions and prevent distribution of their copyrighted descriptions. The project would be to create new

Re: [openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

2006-12-11 Thread David Forslund
So could one use the CPT number for reimbursement without some certification that they are the same as the real CPT codes? Dave mspohr wrote: The codes would be the same as those that they currently accept (i.e. the AMA CPT codes) so there is no issue with the codes. The problem with the AMA

Re: [openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

2006-12-11 Thread Fred Trotter
I dont think so. From what I understood the codes themselves are copyright. Further, thier use is mandated by the government for use in medical billing. This issue has already been the subject of litigation. http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f2000/2076.htm -FT On 12/11/06, mspohr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

2006-12-11 Thread David Forslund
I agree. I don't think you would have to declare them something other than CPT codes even if they had the same number. With a different description, they couldn't be certified as the same and wouldn't come under the legal agreement of CMS (HCFA). I think it would be nice to have alternative to

Re: [openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

2006-12-11 Thread David Forslund
I think the issue is bigger than that. The AMA has a legal agreement with CMS/HCFA for reimbursement of CPT codes. If the code isn't an official CPT code, then reimbursement would be denied by CMS, even if you weren't sued by the AMA. If the descriptions didn't match the AMA's then they would

Re: [openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

2006-12-11 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
I find this discussion of CPT codes reimbursement interesting. Let me paraphrase: To petition your Government (for reimbursement), you need to submit your request in Elvish. Organization XYZ owns the Elvish language. Ergo, to communicate with your Government, you need to buy a license from

[openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

2006-12-11 Thread mspohr
Since you only submit the number to CMS and not the description, you would be submitting an official number. The only issue would be if you submitted the wrong number based on a description that was not correct. For instance, many people publish instructions and clarifications for the use of CPT

Re: [openhealth] Re: list of diagnoses and procedures

2006-12-11 Thread Karsten Hilbert
On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 02:16:32PM -0700, David Forslund wrote: I think the issue is bigger than that. The AMA has a legal agreement with CMS/HCFA for reimbursement of CPT codes. If the code isn't an official CPT code, then reimbursement would be denied by CMS, even if you weren't sued by