Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-22 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Well, fortunately this has turned out to be a non-issue. I just went to www.infinibandta.org and the 1.2 spec is available for download. http://www.infinibandta.org/specs/register/publicspec/vol1r1_2.zip http://www.infinibandta.org/specs/register/publicspec/vol2r1_2.zip Roland Dreier wrote:

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-11 Thread Michael Krause
At 02:11 PM 10/9/2004, you wrote: Jeff If there is questionable code, that is _not_ a justification Jeff to add more. I guess my point was not that the bluetooth stack is somehow questionable, but rather that the IP policies of a standards bodies are really not a good reason to keep code out

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-11 Thread Michael Krause
At 11:27 AM 10/11/2004, Ronald G. Minnich wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Michael Krause wrote: Spec for free or spec for a price - neither grants anyone rights to any IP contained within the specifications or on the technologies that surround the specification. The change in spec cost, while

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-10 Thread Alan Cox
On Sad, 2004-10-09 at 22:11, Roland Dreier wrote: I guess my point was not that the bluetooth stack is somehow questionable, but rather that the IP policies of a standards bodies are really not a good reason to keep code out of the kernel. If someone can name one patent that the IB driver

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-09 Thread Francois Romieu
Roland Dreier [EMAIL PROTECTED] : it's orthogonal to any IP issues. Since the Linux kernel contains a lot of code written to specs available only under NDA (and even reverse-engineered code where specs are completely unavailable), I don't think the expense should be an issue. One can say

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-09 Thread Roland Dreier
Roland it's orthogonal to any IP issues. Since the Linux kernel Roland contains a lot of code written to specs available only Roland under NDA (and even reverse-engineered code where specs Roland are completely unavailable), I don't think the expense Roland should be an issue.

[openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-08 Thread Greg KH
Hi all, Enough people have been asking me about this lately, that I thought I would just bring it up publicly here. It seems that the Infiniband group (IBTA) has changed their licensing agrement of the basic Infiniband spec. See: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18922 for more info

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-08 Thread Michael Krause
At 01:22 PM 10/8/2004, Greg KH wrote: Hi all, Enough people have been asking me about this lately, that I thought I would just bring it up publicly here. It seems that the Infiniband group (IBTA) has changed their licensing agrement of the basic Infiniband spec. See:

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-08 Thread Jeff Garzik
Eric W. Biederman wrote: Greg KH [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [2] Sure, any person who has a copy of the kernel source tree could be a target for any of a zillion other potential claims, nothing new there, but the point here is they are explicitly stating that they will go after non-IBTA members who

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-08 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 04:49:16PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote: Greg KH [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [2] Sure, any person who has a copy of the kernel source tree could be a target for any of a zillion other potential claims, nothing new there, but the point here is they are explicitly

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-08 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 19:13, Greg KH wrote: All I know is a number of different people, from different companies are suddenly very worried about this. The fact that they don't want to comment on it in public leads me to believe that there is something behind their fears. Sounds like our

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-08 Thread Roland Dreier
The increase in cost for the spec is rather unfortunate but I think it's orthogonal to any IP issues. Since the Linux kernel contains a lot of code written to specs available only under NDA (and even reverse-engineered code where specs are completely unavailable), I don't think the expense should

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-08 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 04:27:14PM -0700, Roland Dreier wrote: The increase in cost for the spec is rather unfortunate but I think it's orthogonal to any IP issues. Since the Linux kernel contains a lot of code written to specs available only under NDA (and even reverse-engineered code where

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-08 Thread Jeff Garzik
Roland Dreier wrote: As for IP, as far as I know, there has been no change to any of the bylaws or other members agreements. If there is some specific provision that concerns you, please bring it to our attention -- the IBTA in general and the IBTA steering committee in general have been very

Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel?

2004-10-08 Thread Jeff Garzik
Roland Dreier wrote: Jeff Read the member agreement :) It -explicitly- does -not- Jeff require waiving of patent claims related to any Jeff implementation of IB. Jeff That's different from ATA, SCSI, USB, the list goes on... Fair enough, but read the Bluetooth SIG patent agreement