Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Broken zpool

2015-10-28 Thread Rainer Heilke
On 28/10/2015 1:47 PM, jason matthews wrote: Let me apologize in advanced for inter-mixing comments. Ditto. I am not trying to be a dick (it happens naturally), but if you cant afford to backup terabytes of data, then you cant afford to have terabytes of data. That is a meaningless stateme

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool?

2015-10-28 Thread Doug Hughes
I'd put that in my config mgmt system (or installer) Sent from my android device. -Original Message- From: Bob Friesenhahn To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Sent: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:00 Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool? On Wed, 28

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool?

2015-10-28 Thread Jason Matthews
Go old school. Use dd to manually mirror two or more identical drives. Apply boot blocks. Nail the boot device in Lsi or bios. J. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bob Friesenhahn > wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015, Doug Hughes wrote: >> >> for home or for office? >> for

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool?

2015-10-28 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015, jason matthews wrote: never mind, zfs split doesnt work on rpools. 'zpool offline -t pool device', 'dd' device image, 'zpool online pool device' would work but it would be a stupid backup and extremely slow if the disk is large. If the other disk failed during this pro

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool?

2015-10-28 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015, Doug Hughes wrote: for home or for office? for office, I don't back up root pool. it's considered disposible and reproducible via reinstall. (that plus config management) for home, you can zfs send it somewhere to a file if you want, or you can tar it up since that's probabl

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool?

2015-10-28 Thread jason matthews
never mind, zfs split doesnt work on rpools. j. On 10/28/15 5:08 PM, jason matthews wrote: zfs split may also be undocumented depending on your distribution. j. On 10/28/15 5:08 PM, jason matthews wrote: At home, I do nothing for rpools. I dont even mirror them and I havent even writte

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool?

2015-10-28 Thread jason matthews
zfs split may also be undocumented depending on your distribution. j. On 10/28/15 5:08 PM, jason matthews wrote: At home, I do nothing for rpools. I dont even mirror them and I havent even written out a process for recovery. I assume I can just reinstall and re-import any custom xml files

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool?

2015-10-28 Thread jason matthews
At home, I do nothing for rpools. I dont even mirror them and I havent even written out a process for recovery. I assume I can just reinstall and re-import any custom xml files for smf that i have archived. for work, i have automation to rebuild rpools but i dont back them up. Here is one t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool?

2015-10-28 Thread Doug Hughes
for home or for office? for office, I don't back up root pool. it's considered disposible and reproducible via reinstall. (that plus config management) for home, you can zfs send it somewhere to a file if you want, or you can tar it up since that's probably easier to restore individual files after

[OpenIndiana-discuss] What is the recommended way to back up root pool?

2015-10-28 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
What is the recommended approach to back up a zfs root pool? For other pools I use zfs send/receive and/or rsync-based methods. The zfs root pool is different since it contains multiple filesystems, with the filesystem for one one BE being mounted at a time: % zfs list -r -t filesystem rpool

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

2015-10-28 Thread Tim Mooney
In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?, Bob Friesenhahn...: USB-3 is not supported yet. I have not heard of anyone working on it. The day is coming where USB3 or 3.1 is going to be the standard for motherboards, and it's going to be difficult to find a MoBo with USB2. Who

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

2015-10-28 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > USB-3 is not supported yet. I have not heard of anyone working on it. Ah, that is what I feared, but thanks for confirming it. > Consider ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD if you need USB-3 and ZFS within the next > year. Yep; I've already started pondering

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

2015-10-28 Thread jason matthews
On 10/28/15 1:58 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Also consider eSATA since that can be supported by OpenIndiana and is commonly available on external drives. The electrical and protocol specification for esata is the same as sata. E-SATA cables I think need to be shielded. The only difference is

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

2015-10-28 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015, Rich Teer wrote: Hi all, Hopefully a very quick question here: is USB3 supported yet, and if so, what 2+ port cards are recommended? I'm specifically talking about using ZFS on external hard drives, and am thinking of using SmartOS if that helps. The USB card would be goi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Broken zpool

2015-10-28 Thread jason matthews
Let me apologize in advanced for inter-mixing comments. On 10/27/15 7:44 PM, Rainer Heilke wrote: I am not trying to be a dick (it happens naturally), but if you cant afford to backup terabytes of data, then you cant afford to have terabytes of data. That is a meaningless statement, that re

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

2015-10-28 Thread Rich Teer
Hi all, Hopefully a very quick question here: is USB3 supported yet, and if so, what 2+ port cards are recommended? I'm specifically talking about using ZFS on external hard drives, and am thinking of using SmartOS if that helps. The USB card would be going into a PCIe slot in my Ultra 20 M2. (

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Broken zpool

2015-10-28 Thread Jerry Kemp
Absolutely Bob, I know that the OP wasn't happy to hear it, but Jason made a very good (reply) post that shared the comments that I'm sure that we were all thinking. I have a (Solaris admin) friend at another company who apparently has quite a few friends/colleagues/etc who are running Solari

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Broken zpool

2015-10-28 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, jason matthews wrote: People who buy giant ass disks and then complain about how long it takes to resilver a giant ass disk are out of their minds. They remind me of morons that buy houses next airports and then complain about the noise of airplanes. It is difficult to b

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Does the latest OI version allow ashift=12 for zpool creation?

2015-10-28 Thread jason matthews
I think I provided you the means to do that. Once upon a time there was a patch for zpool(1) to create ashit modifications. As far as I know, it never made it into an OI distribution. At some point in time Wilson added this functionality to the sd driver and no one looked back. I am interes

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Does the latest OI version allow ashift=12 for zpool creation?

2015-10-28 Thread andy thomas
What I would like to do is create a new pool with ashift=12 even though the current disks have 512 byte/sectors. So when the next disk fails, I can get a current model disk with 4k sectors to replace it. Configuring ashift sizes at pool creation time can be done in FreeBSD and (I think) in ZFSo