Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
given that this is the "discuss" and not the "dev" list, i think this thread is doing just fine. On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 16:36:59 -0800, Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss wrote: > I think this thread has achieved all it's likely to achieve. If > people want to work on IPS, there are any

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss
On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 16:18, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > no, such a comparison would of course be pointless. On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 16:30, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 15:36:40 -0800, Bill Sommerfeld via openindiana-discuss > wrote: > > don't assume the SAT solver is eating it

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
i would assume it's eating most of it because on an old machine, the assigned cpu core is at 100% for several minutes while the rotating slash keeps, well, rotating. disk writes wouldn't cause 100% cpu. in fact, having a slow disk brings the cpu load down if the disk can't keep up. On Sat, 13

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
no, such a comparison would of course be pointless. On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 23:47:04 +, aurelien.larc...@gmail.com wrote: > Probably a difference in hardware then. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Andreas Wacknitz via openindiana-discuss
Am 14.01.24 um 00:36 schrieb Bill Sommerfeld via openindiana-discuss: On 1/13/24 15:20, Andreas Wacknitz via openindiana-discuss wrote: Am 14.01.24 um 00:13 schrieb Goetz T. Fischer: i'm afraid making ips fast needs more than just a cython module here and there. don't get me wrong, that's not

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread aurelien . larcher
Le Samedi 13 janvier 2024, Goetz T. Fischer a écrit : > oh yes, that is the case for any kind of upgrades because while ips is still > rotating the slash, the > others are half-way through already. i've done rhel upgrades after 1 1/2 > years and they were > significantly faster than ips

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Bill Sommerfeld via openindiana-discuss
On 1/13/24 15:20, Andreas Wacknitz via openindiana-discuss wrote: Am 14.01.24 um 00:13 schrieb Goetz T. Fischer: i'm afraid making ips fast needs more than just a cython module here and there. don't get me wrong, that's not indiana's fault but a genernal ips issue. maybe having a closer look

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
no, and i never said that. i'm just posting my observations because of the direction this topic headed to. besides, if i'm not mistaken this would be the wrong list for such things anyway i.e. not the dev list. On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:20:36 +0100, Andreas Wacknitz via openindiana-discuss

[OpenIndiana-discuss] CoWorking session

2024-01-13 Thread Till Wegmueller
Hello all. Tomorrows CoWorking session on #OpenIndiana is on at the usual Time 17:00 CET https://meet.chaostreffbern.ch/OpenIndianaCoWorkingSessions We already have some people bringing things but we still have some space :) -Till ___

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Andreas Wacknitz via openindiana-discuss
Am 14.01.24 um 00:13 schrieb Goetz T. Fischer: i'm afraid making ips fast needs more than just a cython module here and there. don't get me wrong, that's not indiana's fault but a genernal ips issue. maybe having a closer look at mr. Wegmueller's go version would be a good idea after all. If

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
i'm afraid making ips fast needs more than just a cython module here and there. don't get me wrong, that's not indiana's fault but a genernal ips issue. maybe having a closer look at mr. Wegmueller's go version would be a good idea after all. On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:05:18 +0100, Andreas Wacknitz

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Andreas Wacknitz via openindiana-discuss
Am 13.01.24 um 17:55 schrieb Alan Coopersmith: On 1/13/24 08:41, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: the first and foremost problem of ips is speed. Someone looking to improve that might want to check out the recent performance improving commits to https://github.com/oracle/solaris-ips/commits/master/

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
oh yes, that is the case for any kind of upgrades because while ips is still rotating the slash, the others are half-way through already. i've done rhel upgrades after 1 1/2 years and they were significantly faster than ips upgrades after a month. just because they handle download and

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread aurelien . larcher
Le Samedi 13 janvier 2024, Goetz T. Fischer a écrit : > i don't know about plain apt but aptitude, yum or zypper are lightyears > faster than ips no matter how > many updates are pending. No that is the not the case for large upgrades. The reason is that apt/yum and the likes unpack each

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
i don't know about plain apt but aptitude, yum or zypper are lightyears faster than ips no matter how many updates are pending. On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 18:07:49 +, aurelien.larc...@gmail.com wrote: > IPS scales better w.r.t the number of packages installed and therefore is > faster than apt

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Screen locking with XScreenSaver disabled

2024-01-13 Thread hput
First please excuse such basic question. I have the installed Xscreensaver disabled at the Xscreensaver gui. But still when I leave the screen for a while Xscreensaver locks the screen requiring a passwd to get the screen back. How to completely disable any locking of screen?

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread aurelien . larcher
Le Samedi 13 janvier 2024, Goetz T. Fischer a écrit : > as much as i value playful adventures, system stuff should always be c/c++. > the last thing one would > want is to add even more stuff that can't be uninstalled because of maybe > only one single dependency. > > the first and foremost

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 1/13/24 08:41, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: the first and foremost problem of ips is speed. Someone looking to improve that might want to check out the recent performance improving commits to https://github.com/oracle/solaris-ips/commits/master/ and see if they cherry-pick to OI's fork.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
as much as i value playful adventures, system stuff should always be c/c++. the last thing one would want is to add even more stuff that can't be uninstalled because of maybe only one single dependency. the first and foremost problem of ips is speed. it's so slow that i had to write my own

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Till Wegmueller
Glady. I made some experiments that went relatively far one being a repo format implementation in Golang[0] and one being some of that work being ported to rust [1]. -Till [0] https://github.com/Toasterson/pkg6-go [1] https://github.com/openflowlabs/ips On 13.01.2024 13:02, Matthew R. Trower

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Ah okay, thanks for the clarification. There are a number of items I’d dearly like to improve about IPS, but none of them are something to tackle on a whim. I guess I’ll add metadata caching behavior to the list. Maybe once I get some more immediate matters off my plate, we can revisit this.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Questions about /var/pkg

2024-01-13 Thread Till Wegmueller
Hi Mathew It is a special statement for /var/pkg/publisher you will get stale data due to how the Metadata download process works. This directory MUST always go forward in time from it's perspective. Meaning it MUST be inside the Boot Environment. At least as long as nobody rewrites that :)