On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Gregory Youngblood
wrote:
> That's just it - at least one of the cards he purchased in an effort to set
> up an OpenSolaris or OpenIndiana file server came directly off the HCL,
> brand/chipset/etc. The other cards were too.
>
> This was a gentleman that had at lea
On Jun 22, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
> Pending the magic availability of infinite drivers, the simple answer
> would be a better HCL.
That would be the best option I think. And goes right to the heart of
addressing this.
If memory serves, his first attempts were with OpenSol
On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Gregory Youngblood wrote:
>
> On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
>
>>> The biggest problem I have had with people trying OpenIndiana (and yes,
>>> Solaris too) has been hardware compatibility. One colleague summarized it
>>> this way: OpenIndi
On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
> I must be an elitist pig or something, but I don't see that as a
> problem. What good do sheer numbers of users do if most of them
> are too clueless to figure out hardware compatibility? Scarcely one
> in 10,000 of that sort would be ab
On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
>> The biggest problem I have had with people trying OpenIndiana (and yes,
>> Solaris too) has been hardware compatibility. One colleague summarized it
>> this way: OpenIndiana, where Linux was in 95. He's referring specifically to
>> dri
On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:28 AM, Gregory Youngblood wrote:
>> Do you want to tell me that last year, during which I have done everything
>> to promote OpenIndiana in my local Open and Free software community, is
>> going to be wasted? No one and I really mean no one will ever take a second
>> look
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
Those young startups and newbie engineers would have to
season for a few years to get my respect anyway. About the time
they stop thinking they're l337 doodz or some such nonsense, they
might _appreciate_ that function > fashion, and
If we're going to all toss names around, how about
"phoebus" (one of the appelations of Apollo). From the
Wikipedia article on Apollo:
> Phoebus (<> /ˈfiːbəs/ fee-bəs; Φοίβος, Phoibos, literally "radiant")
There's a number of tech things with that name, but I don't think
any of them is an operati
On Wednesday, June 22, 2011 04:27 AM, Dmitry Kozhinov wrote:
Helios would be nice, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeliOS .
OpenIndiana name already got some recognition, I see no point of
changing it.
What *is* necessary for branding IMO: a good logo and GNOME theme.
The Linux world is afla
The implied brand associations are free open enterprise which has primary
has been aimed at providing opportunities for multi domestic integrators or
resellers in SME.Clearly a wider community is also present.Brand values are
tied with proof of concept,stability/reliability,and a unrestricted
workb
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On 22 Jun 2011, at 09:58, Volker A. Brandt wrote:
> Nikola M. writes:
>> On 06/22/11 09:28 AM, Gregory Youngblood wrote:
Do you want to tell me that last year, during which I have done
everything to promote OpenIndiana in my local Open and F
Not that I wanted to get involved in this at all ...
Therbeeos
from https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Helios (ish)
"Therbeeo" is one of the horses said to pull the sun across the sky,
it's 3 syllables, might even pass some kind of phonetic translation
into other languages.
I'd prefe
We all know how good illumos is from a technical point of view, but
executives know nothing but what they can see.
Visual aparence is probably the only thing they can understand, looking
cheap is good for Oracle, bad for us.
It could be really hard to implement illumos based products across an
orga
Nikola M. writes:
> On 06/22/11 09:28 AM, Gregory Youngblood wrote:
> >> Do you want to tell me that last year, during which I have done
> >>everything to promote OpenIndiana in my local Open and Free software
> >>community, is going to be wasted? No one and I really mean no one will ever
> >>take
On 06/22/11 09:28 AM, Gregory Youngblood wrote:
>> Do you want to tell me that last year, during which I have done everything
>> to promote OpenIndiana in my local Open and Free software community, is
>> going to be wasted? No one and I really mean no one will ever take a second
>> look again if
> Do you want to tell me that last year, during which I have done everything to
> promote OpenIndiana in my local Open and Free software community, is going to
> be wasted? No one and I really mean no one will ever take a second look again
> if I have to go yet another round of "So, this *was* O
Hi guys
Do you want to tell me that last year, during which I have done
everything to promote OpenIndiana in my local Open and Free software
community, is going to be wasted? No one and I really mean no one will
ever take a second look again if I have to go yet another round of
"So, this
on Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:55:25 -0400 Gordon Ross wrote
> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
I think just "Flare" is an intriguing suggestion.
I don't think it has to end with O S.
flare is most likely owned by EMC since that is what they call the software that
runs on their Clariion array ser
On 6/21/2011 8:00 PM, Blake wrote:
My coworker just suggested Nova
I like this too - implies both the Sun exploding and things being made new
:)
or, "doesn't go" in Spanish. ;)
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My coworker just suggested Nova
I like this too - implies both the Sun exploding and things being made new
:)
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Paul Gress wrote:
> On 06/21/11 12:30 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 22:46 -0400, Paul Gress wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/20/11 10:32 PM,
On 06/21/11 12:30 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 22:46 -0400, Paul Gress wrote:
On 06/20/11 10:32 PM, Magnus wrote:
On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:
How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
Mithros.org is available. I intentionally didn't capitalize the "os". It's
Hi Blake!
You wrote:
> I know that it may seem trivial, but as I look around me, Ubuntu is taking
> over the systems world, and it's not because it's the best-engineered OS.
> It's because it's approachable to people with little experience, because it
> makes it easy for them to learn the OS, an
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 07:09 +1000, Matt Connolly wrote:
> On 21/06/2011, at 3:54 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 23:03 -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:58 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I also happen to think "illumos" is an excellent name
I know that it may seem trivial, but as I look around me, Ubuntu is taking
over the systems world, and it's not because it's the best-engineered OS.
It's because it's approachable to people with little experience, because it
makes it easy for them to learn the OS, and because the name is memorable
Hello all!
As my finger slowly turns red from pressing the d key again and again
(yes, Emacs VM, the One True MUA, uses d to delete mails), I keep asking
myself: Does anyone really think that OI (and by extension Illumos)
will be used or even looked at more just because it is renamed according
On 21/06/2011, at 3:54 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 23:03 -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:58 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
>>>
>>> I also happen to think "illumos" is an excellent name. Use it everywhere.
>>
>> Uh... Excuse me, but what have you
Doug Bora wrote:
Another idea:
Zonos (play on words from one feature, zones; zone os shrunk to zonos)
Keeping that in mind: I really like the 'zonos' name. It reflects the
most famous recent 'killer feature' of Solaris besides zfs and it rolls
off the tongue easily.
zonos/ZONOS is also visuall
Another idea:
Zonos (play on words from one feature, zones; zone os shrunk to zonos)
Keeping that in mind: I really like the 'zonos' name. It reflects the
most famous recent 'killer feature' of Solaris besides zfs and it rolls
off the tongue easily.
zonos/ZONOS is also visually symmetrical whic
Helios would be nice, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeliOS .
OpenIndiana name already got some recognition, I see no point of
changing it.
What *is* necessary for branding IMO: a good logo and GNOME theme.
Dmitry.
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I have to say, as someone who is far more linux/bsd savvy, I have had a
tough time trying to evangelize Opensolaris to people for ZFS use in
SAN/NAS environments (not even trying to address regular server usage),
and there is for sure a lot of NIH (a friend asked me "I thought ZFS was
dead, c
On 6/21/2011 3:51 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote:
Skuas OS
A bird theme that goes along with the Illumos logo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skuas
And Skuas are predators to penguins. :)
This ---^
:-D
What's wrong with the OpenIndiana name, btw? (I just signed up for the
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 15:43 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> On 06/21/2011 03:38 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >> Like it or not, Jake's reply is just as legitimate as yours. Solaris has
> >> caché to some, myself included. Me not knowing anything about it beyond
> >> the fact that it was SunOS before So
Skuas OS
A bird theme that goes along with the Illumos logo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skuas
And Skuas are predators to penguins. :)
Jerry
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> What about Solis ? Short, would seem brandable. Quick google didn't return
> any hits for another OS or distro, but I didn't do an exhaustive search.
>
>
> Playing with some words and google translate:
> phoenix:
> fenice: Italian
> fénix : Spanish
> feeniks : Finnish
>
>
>
On 06/21/2011 03:38 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>> Like it or not, Jake's reply is just as legitimate as yours. Solaris has
>> caché to some, myself included. Me not knowing anything about it beyond
>> the fact that it was SunOS before Solaris doesn't change a thing.
>>
>> Please don't be so dismissiv
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 15:34 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> On 06/21/2011 03:05 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 11:32 -0700, Blake wrote:
> >> I agree that Sun's engineering legacy is impressive.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, the words 'Sun' and 'Solaris' are anathema to most young
> >>
On 06/21/2011 03:05 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 11:32 -0700, Blake wrote:
>> I agree that Sun's engineering legacy is impressive.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the words 'Sun' and 'Solaris' are anathema to most young
>> startups and newbie engineers. Rather than forcing a history lesso
What about Solis ? Short, would seem brandable. Quick google didn't return any
hits for another OS or distro, but I didn't do an exhaustive search.
Playing with some words and google translate:
phoenix:
fenice : Italian
fénix : Spanish
feeniks : Finnish
Another idea:
Zonos (play on words fr
On 21.06.11 19:29, oi-disc...@mho.nu wrote:
IcarOS?
http://www.icarosdesktop.org/
On 21.06.11 20:15, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> I like Phoenix - reborn and rising from the ashes of Sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doscore
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On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 11:32 -0700, Blake wrote:
> I agree that Sun's engineering legacy is impressive.
>
> Unfortunately, the words 'Sun' and 'Solaris' are anathema to most young
> startups and newbie engineers. Rather than forcing a history lesson on
> them, I feel we should look forward when ev
I agree that Sun's engineering legacy is impressive.
Unfortunately, the words 'Sun' and 'Solaris' are anathema to most young
startups and newbie engineers. Rather than forcing a history lesson on
them, I feel we should look forward when evangelizing the platform.
Blake
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:11 -0400, Jake wrote:
> > I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it is
> the opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is
> totally lost to anyone not familiar wit
I'm not averse to dropping OpenIndiana in favor of something better. I
AM against that being any kind of play/dependency on Illumos. I don't
have anything against the Illumos project. But therein lies the salient
issue - Illumos and OI are two separate projects.
I agree. Obviously they're re
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 22:46 -0400, Paul Gress wrote:
> On 06/20/11 10:32 PM, Magnus wrote:
> > On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:
> >> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
> > Mithros.org is available. I intentionally didn't capitalize the "os". It's
> > less awkward to read and to
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:11 -0400, Jake wrote:
> I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it is the
> opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is totally
> lost to anyone not familiar with what OpenSolaris was.
>
> I think a Sun reference woul
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 18:12 +0200, Nikolam wrote:
> As long as Anyone contribute a bit on some real projects and problems
> , there is always room for change in some future or something over
> branding.
>
> But currently I would rather shoot myself in the foot then changing
> branding in a moments
As long as Anyone contribute a bit on some real projects and problems
, there is always room for change in some future or something over
branding.
But currently I would rather shoot myself in the foot then changing
branding in a moments mostly crucial to the distribution and core OS
future. (And c
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 00:45 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
> kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> > But all that is neither here nor there. The point is that your idea
> > was/is lame.
>
> Yeah, but what do you think of my idea?
>
>
> > And that your mother probably dresses you funny...
>
> Not for
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:
>
> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
I think just "Flare" is an intriguing suggestion.
I don't think it has to end with O S.
I like the rhyme with "flair", and the association
with solar flares.
Gordon
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>"feeling" about it. Maybe something of a pun on feathers and melting wax.=
IcarOS?
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In message <15a2f120-d24b-43dc-8cd6-2417182e7...@yonderway.com>, Magnus writes:
>
>On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:
>>
>> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
I like FlareOS (or flareix, perhaps)
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In message , Jamon Camisso
writes:
>Some celestial/mythical names:
RaOS/RayOS/Raix/Rayix?
- mho
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Oi covers both basis standing for openindiana and open
illuminos.ittransfers well into immerging market languages of brazil
and asia whos
language confinds don't pick up longer words or english associations well.To
get you started on this...it has to be easally transferable across
cultures,it shoul
Absolutely we need branding, we need to start working on proper websites for
both projects (here I include Illumos), and we need to start approaching the
marketing question.
I got used to the illumos name, I still find openindiana a pretey unsexy
name, but we can go on with it if we cheer up other
kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> But all that is neither here nor there. The point is that your idea
> was/is lame.
Yeah, but what do you think of my idea?
> And that your mother probably dresses you funny...
Not for several decades, she hasn't (:-).
kgund...@teamcool.net said:
> P.S.; In the
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 23:03 -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:58 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
> > What's wrong with just "illumos"? If you need to distinguish, just use
> > "illumos, the kernel" or "illumos, OS/Net" vs "illumos, the distribution".
> > The original "OpenSolari
While in many ways I agree, I do find that 'Illumos' is hard for the
uninitiated to 'hear right'. It's a little awkward to pronounce.
I think it's best to throw up a collaborative document and after we collect a
bunch of names take a poll. That would help give an idea of what people are
think
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:58 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
> What's wrong with just "illumos"? If you need to distinguish, just use
> "illumos, the kernel" or "illumos, OS/Net" vs "illumos, the distribution".
> The original "OpenSolaris, the distribution" was based on "OpenSolaris,
> the kernel", a
BigRed
Marion Hakanson wrote:
>What's wrong with just "illumos"? If you need to distinguish, just use
>"illumos, the kernel" or "illumos, OS/Net" vs "illumos, the distribution".
>The original "OpenSolaris, the distribution" was based on "OpenSolaris,
>the kernel", and other distributions based
What's wrong with just "illumos"? If you need to distinguish, just use
"illumos, the kernel" or "illumos, OS/Net" vs "illumos, the distribution".
The original "OpenSolaris, the distribution" was based on "OpenSolaris,
the kernel", and other distributions based on "Opensolaris, the kernel"
did exis
On 06/20/11 10:32 PM, Magnus wrote:
On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:
How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
Mithros.org is available. I intentionally didn't capitalize the "os". It's less
awkward to read and to pronounce.
There are some tenuous connections between Mithras& Sol
On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Tim Aslat wrote:
>
> How about FlareOS (offshoot of the Sun)
Mithros.org is available. I intentionally didn't capitalize the "os". It's less
awkward to read and to pronounce.
There are some tenuous connections between Mithras & Sol, the Sun God, in
ancient Roman
In the immortal words of Rob Shinn on 06/21/11 11:48:
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:11 -0400, Jake wrote:
I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it is the
opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is totally
lost to anyone not familiar with what
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 21:11 -0400, Jake wrote:
> I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it is the
> opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is totally
> lost to anyone not familiar with what OpenSolaris was.
>
> I think a Sun reference woul
Too bad the names nixOS and Illumix are taken.
Some celestial/mythical names:
KoreOS - Kore being another name for Persephone. There might be a bit
of a metaphorical parallel between her story and Solaris depending on
how you look at it. But what do I know..
CorOS - based on the name of Cor Caro
On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Jake wrote:
> EclipseOS maybe?
http://www.eclipse.org/ might take exception. ;)
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I totally agree. OpenIndiana describes the distro quite well, since it is the
opensource bits of the Solaris Indiana release; but the reference is totally
lost to anyone not familiar with what OpenSolaris was.
I think a Sun reference would be fitting.
EclipseOS maybe?
Can we put up a page
I've been reticent to say anything as a newcomer, but a six syllable name
doesn't exactly roll off the tip of the tongue. Not to mention, any relevance
to "Indiana" is probably lost upon a broader audience.
"Open" is pretty played out as a prefix.
The whole thing should be two, maybe three syl
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Blake wrote:
> Does anyone besides me feel that we need a more unified naming/branding
> approach for the community-driven descendants of OpenSolaris? I feel that
> the there is no obvious connection (for those new to the platform) between
> Illumos/OpenIndiana, wh
:)
Clearly this is the sort of thing that the OpenIndiana group must choose to
do, if they agree. I'll reiterate - I love OpenIndiana, and I want it to be
easily name-dropped and recognizable to even the hobbyist crowd. These are
the folks who can help fix things in userland and the GUI. If we
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