On 15/11/2010 16:32, Thorsten Heit wrote:
Oracle today released its first version of Solaris 11 Express:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/overview/index.html
Just two gotchas so far, creating a new boot environment from
OpenIndiana (which boot environment I plan to
Somebody should 'plain english' the new EULA for Solaris 11.
That way we can compare the licensing advantages of OpenIndiana.
On 16 November 2010 06:52, Gabriel de la Cruz gabriel.delac...@gmail.comwrote:
Ummm S11 can upgrade from Opensolaris... maybe OpenIndiana could upgrade
from Solaris
BM wrote:
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Oscar del Rio del...@mie.utoronto.ca wrote:
The release notes have instructions on how to upgrade from opensolaris.
http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1479/gklaa?l=ena=view
It also works to image-update from openindiana.
I believe you
Thankyou very much for all the previous advises about how to roll back from
one system to the next.
Oracle might want to offer the Indians a possibility to convert to their own
religion but probably not all the way around. So I would consider SE(x)11 a
system trap and keep it away from my
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
Just for curiosity, how does Oracle check what kind of use you make of an
operating system? In order to evaluate third party communications or private
information this information should be already public (what means, the
Who said
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 09:27, Nikola M minik...@gmail.com wrote:
Only way you can be sure is when you use OS that is Open Source.
Everything closed makes very much reasonable to be paranoid.
This is not true. The paranoid have to agree with Ken Thompson:
On 11/17/2010 2:50 AM, Nikola M wrote:
Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
Ummm S11 can upgrade from Opensolaris... maybe OpenIndiana could
upgrade
As it could be read, it seems unsecured to install SolarisExpress
at all, since it kills ALL other boot environments for starting
from GRUB.
It
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From: Emanuele Pucciarelli [mailto:e...@acm.org]
As an aside, I wouldn't bet my own business on Oracle's marketing
strategy now (neither would Oracle's marketing strategy ever try to
reach me), but I am very glad that Alan and other Oracle people hang
around Illumos
Emanuele Pucciarelli wrote:
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 09:27, Nikola M minik...@gmail.com wrote:
Only way you can be sure is when you use OS that is Open Source.
Everything closed makes very much reasonable to be paranoid.
This is not true. The paranoid have to agree with Ken Thompson:
Kyle McDonald wrote:
It cleans all Be's and have only
itself in GRUB and one
another
previous BE.
If you do a fresh install this is definitely true. All releases of
OpenSolaris did the same thing.
I did not know that. I only installed OpenSolaris once, with 2009.06 CD.
Everything else
Nikola M wrote:
Only way you can be sure is when you use OS that is Open Source.
And when you wrote every line of code yourself in every tool used
to build it, and created the CPU yourself.
http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html
(summarized on
On 17 November 2010 09:24, Nikola M minik...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Yes. True.
We all wait for a moment once in the future, when all-free code of ON
will be compiled with gcc or clang.. just to be sure ;)
Or better, when SunStudio is open-source. #6-)
On 11/16/10 20:08, Tom Kranz wrote:
SX11 has a newer version of ZFS. When you install OpenIndiana over the
top, it refuses to recognize the disk layout, and wants to either
repartition it or blow it all away.
If you start with snv134b as the base, you can obviously update to
Solaris Express,
Frank Middleton f.middle...@apogeect.com writes:
On 11/16/10 20:08, Tom Kranz wrote:
If you start with snv134b as the base, you can obviously update to
Solaris Express, being careful not to change the version of any pools.
Then one could roll back to snv134b and install OI when it becomes
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Daniel Kjar dk...@elmira.edu wrote:
As a professor that only
produces academic non-commercial services, I find this completely
unacceptable. Microsoft sells licenses that academics can afford and they
still make money by getting fortune 500s to buy their
I have tried to use it..
Solaris 11 Express has no X-Window and Gnome!
I have used it with VirtualBox and I cannot reproduce
your findings.
A.S.
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Ummm S11 can upgrade from Opensolaris... maybe OpenIndiana could upgrade
from Solaris 11.. so the vendor lockup gets killed... This would be good and
bad for Oracle, bad because people can free themselves from the heavy load
of pricing whenever they want without the need of starting from the
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:53:19 -0500
Daniel Kjar dk...@elmira.edu wrote:
IANAL but it looks just like the new EULA for solaris 10. Testing and
demonstration, nothing else. Period. If it is a production environment
you need to buy a license. They also had a nice bit in there about 'we
I contacted my reps and they came back with no tiered pricing, 8
percent of the average cost of the machine that it is running on at the
time of purchase. Others have told me that they did get 'special'
pricing from Oracle but I put my request in 2 months ago and have heard
nothing back yet.
Cia Watson wrote:
When I looked at the details for licensing, it suggests one contact their
sales person and then if you don't have a sales person you can fill in a
form and someone will contact you. It may be they have tiered pricing or
That licensing of Oracle is very much of a mystery.
Well they corrected the 30 days trial smart move with a not so different
approach.
I could make a long list of possible users others than businesses and
coders, but Oracle should work it out on their own.
I don't think their restrictions makes a real benefit for them, at all. With
their hight
Absolutely hilarious. Thanks Gabriel, very entertaining.
On 11/16/10 12:55 PM, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
Well they corrected the 30 days trial smart move with a not so different
approach.
I could make a long list of possible users others than businesses and
coders, but Oracle should work it
They said nothing about snooping but they did use a much nicer
euphemism...
or for any commercial production purposes, you must obtain a valid
license permitting such use. We may audit your use of the Programs.
On 11/16/10 01:25 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
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On 11/16/2010 1:39 PM, Daniel Kjar wrote:
They said nothing about snooping but they did use a much nicer
euphemism...
or for any commercial production purposes, you must obtain a
valid license permitting such use. We may audit your use of
On 11/16/10 13:15, Alex Viskovatoff wrote:
What we need to concentrate on is finding new contributors to the
OpenIndiana project.
One wonders how large the pool of SPARC users is and, once Illumos
compiles for SPARC, how many of them might be willing and/or able
to contribute to OI (as
Frank,
Good question. It al depends in Oracle and what kind of follow up OI makes,
if Oracle release their sources from time to time it would be easier to roll
from one system to the other, but if nothing happens probably we end up with
very close systems in terms of functionality but without such
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Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
flexibility. Could it be a good practice to install Openindiana before
Solaris11?, so there is a roll back option? difficult to answer... I guess
they will keep the possibility to upgrade from Opensolaris for a while...
Tom, I was meaning to keep Openindiana boot environment instead of
installing Solaris 11 fresh... but if there is a method to do it without
having alrready a preexisting OI or Opensolaris boot environment, I have to
admit that am not very familiar with the process.
Well encryption is not
On 11/16/10 18:18, Tom Kranz wrote:
Why? What's wrong with ZFS snapshots and rolling back to a different BE?
As long as you're not upgrading your ZFS pools or messing around with
them (and ZFS encryption is the only pressing thing for me that would
force that) then I don't see why any of this
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Frank Middleton wrote:
Say you try to update from Solaris 11 Express (snv 151a) to OI (snv147)?
Could there be a problem with IPS with out of temporal order packages,
or packages which have been forked? Presumably OI can keep track of
the forked
On Tuesday, 16 November, 2010 23:50, Nikola M minik...@gmail.com said:
Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
Ummm S11 can upgrade from Opensolaris... maybe OpenIndiana could upgrade
As it could be read, it seems unsecured to install SolarisExpress at all,
since it kills ALL other boot environments for
Hi all,
Oracle today released its first version of Solaris 11 Express:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/overview/index.html
Let's wait and see whether they also release the source code
Regards
Thorsten
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On 15 Nov 2010, at 16:32, Thorsten Heit wrote:
Hi all,
Oracle today released its first version of Solaris 11 Express:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/overview/index.html
Let's wait and see whether they also release the source code
We're still trying to
u... I have been reading the features... and I did not try the system...
but from the paper looks as if the open and close Solaris versions merged
together.
Thinking about the gap from 10 to 11, I see mostly a branding gap, a
licensing gap, and a philosophical gap rather than a technical
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Chris Ridd chrisr...@mac.com wrote:
On 15 Nov 2010, at 16:32, Thorsten Heit wrote:
Hi all,
Oracle today released its first version of Solaris 11 Express:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/overview/index.html
Let's wait and see
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Cyril Plisko cyril.pli...@mountall.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Chris Ridd chrisr...@mac.com wrote:
On 15 Nov 2010, at 16:32, Thorsten Heit wrote:
Hi all,
Oracle today released its first version of Solaris 11 Express:
I have tried to use it..
Solaris 11 Express has no X-Window and Gnome!
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On 15/11/10 23:00, L'oiseau de mer wrote:
I have tried to use it..
Solaris 11 Express has no X-Window and Gnome!
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On 11/15/2010 11:00 PM, L'oiseau de mer wrote:
I have tried to use it..
Solaris 11 Express has no X-Window and Gnome!
Works fine for me!
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L'oiseau de mer wrote:
I have tried to use it..
Solaris 11 Express has no X-Window and Gnome!
Sure it does - but if you used the text installer, it assumes
you wanted just the text environment and doesn't install them.
The LiveCD installs them, or you can pkg install slim_install
to
Hi Olga,
what does this print on your Oracle Solaris 11 system:
/bin/sh -c 'printf %d\n .sh.version'
It prints 20100305
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On Thursday, November 04, 2010 04:19 PM, BM wrote:
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Christopher Chan
christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote:
When PostgreSQL will give PHBs a warm fuzzy feeling because there is
somebody to sue/take responsibility if something goes wrong.
Meaning, support
Who cares who can sue who,
Well, the problem is here how do we market OpenIndiana and all this open
source software effectively, how do we grow the community in a positive
meaningful way. How to we make OpenIndiana Illumos viable alternatives and
brands that people can trust.
The 33 people who
I copied the above message to it's own thread I didn't spell check it or
anything .
On 4 November 2010 08:07, Nathan Evans ndickinson.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
Who cares who can sue who,
Well, the problem is here how do we market OpenIndiana and all this open
source software effectively, how do
I am surprised Alan did not bring this up, but what this reminded me off
was Xfree86 and Xorg. We heard all the gloom and doom about the distro's
not using Xfree86 when they switched to Xorg. I see the same approach
with Libre Office once it gets into the hands of the major Linux
distro's good
true, but we have that too.
On 3 November 2010 00:29, BM bogdan.maryn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Nathan Evans
ndickinson.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
We have your portal software.
Not the best one. Liferay is still way better than their. :)
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Nathan Evans ndickinson.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
true, but we have that too.
BTW, we also have a thing that causes a serious trouble to Snorcle: a
PostgreSQL. :-)
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Things, that are stupid at the beginning, rarely ends up wisely.
More great news from Oracle. The sad news for them is that they
will never become another Micro$ometing!
http://digitizor.com/2010/11/01/and-so-the-exodus-begins-33-developers-leave-openoffice-org/
http://www.mail-archive.com/d...@native-lang.openoffice.org/msg04865.html
Congrats to the new corporate master, nice dose of negative marketing.
Deception is not easily fixed, no matter how good sales man you have.
Once again, sad story.
Br
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Evans ndickinson.ev...@gmail.comwrote:
WOW!
Oracle really lost out when they started
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Nathan Evans
ndickinson.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
We have your portal software.
Not the best one. Liferay is still way better than their. :)
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Things, that are stupid at the beginning, rarely ends up wisely.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 07:07, Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com wrote:
On 10/31/10 02:54, Paul Johnston wrote:
. Each discussion is led by a Solaris engineering or technical expert.
Whatever is left, they already lost their top devs,
maybe the people who are left aren't the stars
On 11/01/10 01:41, Michael wrote:
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 07:07, Edward Martinezmindbende...@live.com wrote:
On 10/31/10 02:54, Paul Johnston wrote:
. Each discussion is led by a Solaris engineering or technical expert.
Whatever is left, they already lost their top devs,
maybe the
]
Sent: 01 November 2010 13:29
To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
On 11/01/10 01:41, Michael wrote:
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 07:07, Edward Martinezmindbende...@live.com
wrote:
On 10/31/10 02:54, Paul Johnston wrote:
. Each discussion
Paul Johnston wrote:
Interesting that most of the names below seem to have gone to smaller
outfits (non-derogatory term)!
Not everyone thinks as a suit (non-derogatory term).
People mostly think about technology backgrounds, innovations and how
sad it is if something open becomes closed and
this discussion is pointless - imo.
On 1 November 2010 12:57, McBofh james.c.mcpher...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/11/10 09:52 PM, McBofh wrote:
On 1/11/10 11:29 PM, Edward Martinez wrote:
...
Garrett D'Amore
re-designed the Solaris audio system
...
Of the names you list, Ian and
this discussion is pointless - imo.
I totally agree. IMHO, we should not care about what happens
to Oracle.
A.S.
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Edward Martinez wrote:
On 11/01/10 01:41, Michael wrote:
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 07:07, Edward Martinezmindbende...@live.com
wrote:
On 10/31/10 02:54, Paul Johnston wrote:
. Each discussion is led by a Solaris engineering or technical expert.
Whatever is left, they already lost their
Nathan Evans wrote:
you forgot to mention James Gosling.
Also not a Solaris engineer (not since before it was called Solaris
at least - NeWS was a very very long time ago).
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Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
this discussion is pointless - imo.
I totally agree. IMHO, we should not care about what happens
to Oracle.
A.S.
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about ZFS and what version/features are released (encryption for
example)
Paul
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for OpenIndiana
Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Solaris 11 Express
this discussion is pointless - imo.
I totally agree. IMHO, we should not care about what happens
to Oracle.
A.S.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos
asyropou...@yahoo.com wrote:
this discussion is pointless - imo.
I totally agree. IMHO, we should not care about what happens
to Oracle.
Errrm, we actually should. :-)
If you excuse me few ¥¥¥ in current point-less discussion, then since
On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:05 AM, Edward Martinez wrote:
On 11/01/10 09:32, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote:
this discussion is pointless - imo.
I totally agree. IMHO, we should not care about what happens
to Oracle.
I second that. Oracle did not really care about the Opensolaris
Slightly off topic I know but seems the above is about to be
released/unveiled!
*FREE: Oracle Solaris 11 Express All-Day Summit on Tuesday, Nov 9*
This free all-day event will take deep-dives into each of the major
technologies in Solaris 11 Express that you'll need to understand to
deploy
Not coincidentally, the Usenix LISA conference is in the same building that
very week.
-Gary
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On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Paul Johnston
paul.johns...@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
*FREE: Oracle Solaris 11 Express All-Day Summit on Tuesday, Nov 9*
*yawn*
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