On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Christopher Chan
christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote:
snip/
but you won't see deb distro guys going out of their way to make
things familiar for rpm distro users and vice versa.
You need to support both if you build Linux systems to customers.
But that
The most admin friendly distro I ever used was called opensolaris...
This kind of discussions discusion has to do with taste, educating your
taste involves learning to enjoy the differences, there is no point in
making everithing to taste the same.
Br
gab
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Sean
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As an application, sudo pre-dates Ubuntu, but it is true that Ubuntu
started this madness of replacing the root account system with sudo. It is
also true that most
: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?
As an application, sudo pre-dates Ubuntu, but it is true that Ubuntu
started this madness of replacing the root account system with sudo. It
is
also true that most of the distros using sudo are derived from Ubuntu.
You mean, Ubuntu derivatives like Linux Mint
On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 04:11 PM, Gary Driggs wrote:
On May 24, 2011, at 12:36 AM, LinuxBSDos.com wrote:
List as many as you can and I'll still be able to prove that most of the
distros using sudo are derived from Ubuntu is a statement of fact.
OpenBSD ships with sudo and a root account
On 24 May 2011 18:21, Alasdair Lumsden alasdai...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux, sudo vs
pfexec.
If you don't like sudo, you don't have to use it. It's as simple as that.
But bringing the default in-line with other modern-day
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 17:28 +1000, Scott O'Brien wrote:
Ok, enough with the troll wars.. Who cares? It's be nice to not get spammed
with a million off-stopic e-mails imo
I find the discussion relevant and appropriate for the list at hand. If
you don't please filter on topic and delete.
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 01:11 -0700, Gary Driggs wrote:
On May 24, 2011, at 12:36 AM, LinuxBSDos.com wrote:
List as many as you can and I'll still be able to prove that most of the
distros using sudo are derived from Ubuntu is a statement of fact.
OpenBSD ships with sudo and a root account
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 16:29 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote:
From: LinuxBSDos.com fi...@linuxbsdos.com
How many of those distros that are not based on Ubuntu can you name?
Remember that we are talking about using sudo instead of the root account
system, not just having sudo
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Hi All,
I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux, sudo vs
pfexec.
With all due respect, I think the technical signal is high enough to
qualify as relevant discussion.
If you don't like sudo, you don't have
On 24 May 2011, at 13:10, Ken Gunderson wrote:
Especially when that distro is loosing respect from those who actually
have a clue or two due to continued track record of bugs that result in
very unreliable platform choice for the server room.
Inflammatory and arrogant comments like this are
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 06:26:33AM -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Hi All,
I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux,
sudo vs pfexec.
With all due respect, I think the technical signal is high enough to
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 13:33 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
On 24 May 2011, at 13:10, Ken Gunderson wrote:
Especially when that distro is loosing respect from those who actually
have a clue or two due to continued track record of bugs that result in
very unreliable platform choice for the
Found some further background reading from security-discuss@ for anyone looking
for further technical background info:
http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=98824
http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=98824tstart=210
not watch the screen the
whole time. I really hate that American don't sue us policy.
-Original Message-
From: Ken Gunderson [mailto:kgund...@teamcool.net]
Sent: dinsdag 24 mei 2011 15:04
To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?
On Tue
On 05/24/11 08:54 AM, Gary Mills wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 06:26:33AM -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Hi All,
I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux,
sudo vs pfexec.
With all due respect, I think the
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 11:06 -0400, Dave Miner wrote:
On 05/24/11 08:54 AM, Gary Mills wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 06:26:33AM -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Hi All,
I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux,
XP and office 2007 or
between Windows Xp and Windows 7?
They have never complained about anything! *sigh*
-Original Message-
From: Blake Irvin [mailto:blake.ir...@gmail.com]
Sent: dinsdag 24 mei 2011 18:13
To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana
Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 00:22 +0600, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
I think Debian is a very nice Linux distro.
Many OpenSolaris/OI users share this feeling - this is because
OpenSolaris has (kind of) inherited it's look and feel from Debian -
thanks to Ian Murdock.
My personal favorite in
18:13
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As a longtime Solaris user I don't have to be convinced that it's better
in
many ways than Linux. But there is a reality that I've been forced to
embrace - developers don't care.
I'm in the process
On May 24, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Blake Irvin wrote:
As a longtime Solaris user I don't have to be convinced that it's better in
many ways than Linux. But there is a reality that I've been forced to
embrace - developers don't care.
I'm in the process right now of helping a large development
I certainly understand your point of view, Richard. Unfortunately, fewer
developers nowadays understand systems, and that's not likely to improve.
My point is more that tool choice in business is driven by opportunity cost
and the bottom line. If I have to spend an extra two weeks training devs
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Blake blake.ir...@gmail.com wrote:
I certainly understand your point of view, Richard. Unfortunately, fewer
developers nowadays understand systems, and that's not likely to improve.
My point is more that tool choice in business is driven by opportunity cost
Presumably there's a balance with this, as with most things.
But giving in is not without costs. Making the quarterly look good often
leaves one out of position for the long haul.
Maybe one could do both. Use familiarity tools, but _only_ as a temporary
measure, while concurrently
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Richard L. Hamilton rlha...@smart.net wrote:
Presumably there's a balance with this, as with most things.
But giving in is not without costs. Making the quarterly look good often
leaves one out of position for the long haul.
Maybe one could do both. Use
I'm glad we are discussing our appeal (or lack of it) to devs. I don't care
so much about the specifics of how we stay sexy, just that we do it.
If you work with developers who haven't grown up on Solaris, ask them to try
it and see how they like it :) We can improve.
Ok - back to work
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 03:41 AM, LinuxBSDos.com wrote:
One of the thought forms floating in the ethers is UNIX/Linux is difficult
to use. Even people who have never used it, believe it. Months ago, I went
to fix my car and decided to bring a book to kill time with while I
waited. It just
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On 24 May 2011, at 13:10, Ken Gunderson wrote:
Especially when that distro is loosing respect from those who actually
have
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:20 AM, Allan E. Registos wrote:
+1.
Be friendly to Linux users(me a Linux user), as these are the people that will
often convert to BSD and Solaris/OI. I think most enterprise data centers
nowadays are a hive of heterogeneous technologies.
I came from Linux
Kumusta Christopher:
On 5/25/2011 8:28 AM, Christopher Chan wrote:
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:20 AM, Allan E. Registos wrote:
+1.
Be friendly to Linux users(me a Linux user), as these are the people
that will often convert to BSD and Solaris/OI. I think most
enterprise data centers
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:54 AM, Allan Echavia Registos wrote:
Kumusta Christopher:
Mabuti, ikaw?
On 5/25/2011 8:28 AM, Christopher Chan wrote:
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:20 AM, Allan E. Registos wrote:
+1.
Be friendly to Linux users(me a Linux user), as these are the people
that
Forgive me if this is a silly question: reading this thread about dev-il
vs dev repositories, what is the relevance (if any) for a random user
like me? Are the updates we've been told are upcoming germane to this,
or is that unrelated?
___
* Dan Swartzendruber dswa...@druber.com [2011-05-23 21:15]:
Forgive me if this is a silly question: reading this thread about
dev-il vs dev repositories, what is the relevance (if any) for a
random user like me? Are the updates we've been told are upcoming
germane to this, or is that
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 15:39 -0400, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
Another related question - why have we stopped using pfexec and
started using sudo? I preferred RBAC...
Have we? I've been testing 148b and just assumed it was a defect. If
not, I concur with you that RBAC is preferrable to sudo.
2011/5/23 Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net:
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 15:39 -0400, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
Another related question - why have we stopped using pfexec and
started using sudo? I preferred RBAC...
Have we? I've been testing 148b and just assumed it was a defect. If
not, I
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 23:29 +0200, Jeppe Toustrup wrote:
2011/5/23 Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net:
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 15:39 -0400, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
Another related question - why have we stopped using pfexec and
started using sudo? I preferred RBAC...
Have we? I've
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 17:03 -0700, Bill Sommerfeld wrote:
On 05/23/11 16:54, Ken Gunderson wrote:
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 23:29 +0200, Jeppe Toustrup wrote:
The change was made upstream. See this bug report which discusses the
change:
https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4885
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
Yeah, I read the thread, and that aspect I do agree with. The part that
irked me was the this makes things more familiar for Ubuntu Linux users
(ir)rationale.
I must have missed that part of the thread but sudo predates Linux by at
least
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Christopher Chan
christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote:
On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 08:51 AM, Gary wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
Yeah, I read the thread, and that aspect I do agree with. The part that
irked me was the this makes
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 10:09 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote:
On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 09:51 AM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
On May 23, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Christopher Chan wrote:
On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 08:51 AM, Gary wrote:
I must have missed that part of the thread but sudo predates
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 01:21 +, Ben Taylor wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Christopher Chan
christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote:
On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 08:51 AM, Gary wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
Yeah, I read the thread, and that aspect I
On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:26 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
Perchance did you read the thread referenced??
https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4885
I have. I am just saying that Ubuntu is NOT representative of Linux
admins and that going sudo is because of Dave Miner's affection
Well, yeah, all the other 'sudo for admin model' using distros are
probably Ubuntu derived...
No, not at all. 'sudo' has been used in RedHat since v7 at least, and has
been in every single distribution of Linux I have ever used since. It's much
older than Ubuntu. Please, please stop whining
How do I check oi_148(b)/IPS? When I try adding package repo dev-il
it seems to rather instead modify standard dev repo to whatever I used
for new dev-il name and still point to standard dev repo regardless of
me having specified dev-il, as per the 148b wiki page here:
as I put it in the attachment:
pkg set-publisher -P -O http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev-il/ openindiana.org
this will replace the openindiana.org publisher with the dev-il one.
kvg@athena:~$ su
Password:
kvg@athena:~# pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev-il
oi-dev-il
pkg
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 17:05 +0100, Jonathan Adams wrote:
pkg set-publisher -P -O
http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev-il/ openindiana.org
Well I'll be damned. I missed the -P flag, wh/is apparently essential,
as that command worked. I don't quite understand why setting as
preferred would make a
Hi, been running OI for awhile (oi-148). Looking at it, it says
November 2010. This is going on 6 months. When I look at my ubuntu
and/or centos servers, I see fixes trickle in fairly frequently; what is
the update timeframe for OI? One reason I picked OI over SE11 was the
expectation that
Steve Gonczi wrote:
Hi Dan,
If you monitor the Illumos checkins, you will see that there is
a fair amount of activity going on.
I am unsure how this correlates with any binary release schedule
but at least at the OS source code level, things are surely
being fixed.
okay, thanks! i'm not
, which is geared around their internal
processes.
Stay tuned!
Alasdair
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Steve Gonczi wrote:
Hi
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 21:00 +, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Hi Dan,
Work has been underway for quite some time on our next build, and the release
is imminent.
It is taking longer than anticipated though. Building a brand new community
around a codebase as large as OpenSolaris is no easy
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On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 21:00 +, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Hi Dan,
Work has been underway for quite some time on our next build, and the release
is imminent.
It is taking longer than
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 21:38 +, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Hi Ken,
This month, unless some major showstopper crops up.
Regarding my MUA, I'm out and about and sending from my blackberry - no
options available to me re line length. Sorry!
Cheers,
Alasdair
Ah! Thanks bunches. I
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 21:38 +, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
Hi Ken,
This month, unless some major showstopper crops up.
P.S. - any info w.r.t. repository package updates, e.g. LibreOffice,
PostgreSQL, etc. Will such coincide with release or come later?
--
Ken Gunderson
on oi-dev as well).
~ Ken Mays
--- On Fri, 5/13/11, Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net wrote:
From: Ken Gunderson kgund...@teamcool.net
Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?
To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 16:40 -0700, ken mays wrote:
Hi Ken,
Ref: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/oi_151
OI Release Engineering stated that construction of the consolidation images
were underway so expectation is within the upcoming week (or two). Mainly
said, TBA - but it was recently
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