Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage serverandvirtual server enviroment
Thanks. Doesn't the ESXi solution introduce another layer of complexity, though? That is, if my proposed solution with OI as the main OS and Storage server combined, with the vms on top of OI (and each vm with access to the storage server), isn't hard to set up/maintain than the ESXi solution. I should also note that I need to buy new hw. I have a LSI SAS1068E controller (reflashed Intel branded) which does not work with my current mainboard (only a single pcie x16 port which is reserved for a graphics card). Regards, Mats On 04/20/2012 02:51 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Depending on your cpumotherboard, an alternative 'all in one' server is to run ESXi on it, and virtualize OI. A key requirement for good performance is that cpu/motherboard support vt-d (pci pass-through.) the only trick is that you need two disk controllers - one that you pass through, and one to run a single (small cheap) disk for the local datastore that OI would live on. Be aware though that this is not officially supported by VMWare, so you need to make sure you are using HW that people know works. -Original Message- From: Mike La Spina [mailto:mike.lasp...@laspina.ca] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:41 AM To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage serverandvirtual server enviroment Hi, You can do all of that and much more. Here is one example. http://blog.laspina.ca/ubiquitous/provisioning_disaster_recovery_with_zf s Regards, Mike http://blog.laspina.ca/ -Original Message- From: Mats Taraldsvik [mailto:mats.taralds...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:31 AM To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage server andvirtual server enviroment Hi, I'm currently using EON ZFS as a storage server, but would like to be able to host a couple of virtual machines as well -- using only a single server. Will I, using OI, be able to share a zpool between the virtual machines (created with KVM or another OI-supported technology, and stored in the same or a different zpool), either directly,through nfs or iscsi? Regards, Mats Taraldsvik ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage serverandvirtual server enviroment
I would argue that running a GUI on top of OI so that you can run VMs under virtualbox carries the same complexity (if I'm wrong, where is the extra layer?) Also, I wasn't aware of your HW limitations - AFAIK you never stated them. I don't think either solution is better or more complicated - nor did I say so - just an alternative. -Original Message- From: Mats Taraldsvik [mailto:mats.taralds...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:12 AM To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage serverandvirtual server enviroment Thanks. Doesn't the ESXi solution introduce another layer of complexity, though? That is, if my proposed solution with OI as the main OS and Storage server combined, with the vms on top of OI (and each vm with access to the storage server), isn't hard to set up/maintain than the ESXi solution. I should also note that I need to buy new hw. I have a LSI SAS1068E controller (reflashed Intel branded) which does not work with my current mainboard (only a single pcie x16 port which is reserved for a graphics card). Regards, Mats On 04/20/2012 02:51 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Depending on your cpumotherboard, an alternative 'all in one' server is to run ESXi on it, and virtualize OI. A key requirement for good performance is that cpu/motherboard support vt-d (pci pass-through.) the only trick is that you need two disk controllers - one that you pass through, and one to run a single (small cheap) disk for the local datastore that OI would live on. Be aware though that this is not officially supported by VMWare, so you need to make sure you are using HW that people know works. -Original Message- From: Mike La Spina [mailto:mike.lasp...@laspina.ca] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:41 AM To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage serverandvirtual server enviroment Hi, You can do all of that and much more. Here is one example. http://blog.laspina.ca/ubiquitous/provisioning_disaster_recovery_with_zf s Regards, Mike http://blog.laspina.ca/ -Original Message- From: Mats Taraldsvik [mailto:mats.taralds...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:31 AM To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage server andvirtual server enviroment Hi, I'm currently using EON ZFS as a storage server, but would like to be able to host a couple of virtual machines as well -- using only a single server. Will I, using OI, be able to share a zpool between the virtual machines (created with KVM or another OI-supported technology, and stored in the same or a different zpool), either directly,through nfs or iscsi? Regards, Mats Taraldsvik ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Qmail-to-go on openindiana?
in Qmail, the security is patch-maked in postfix is by-design-maked for example, smtp auth, SASL, TLS and soon. Also postfix is more modular. You can use it with someSQL LDAP and all thats cute things. If need some help with postfix, can mail me to the private, postfix is my strong point. Greetings On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 08:00 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: So are people up for netqmail, daemontools, djbdns packages? On Sunday, April 22, 2012 08:34 PM, Gary Gendel wrote: Which brings us back to qmail. I've been using it flawlessly starting on a Sparc IPC running SunOS before Postfix was a gleam in Wietse Venema's eye. The darn thing is rock solid, secure, lightweight, and fast. That said, I have nothing against Postfix other that I've never had a reason to look further than qmail. You did. That's why you are not running qmail-smtpd. Not even a patched qmail-smtpd. Yes, DJB designed qmail to be modular and using third-party modules is far game but using third-party modules already means it is not qmail. Stop deluding yourself. qmail's main problem has always been back-scatter due to lack of smtp time recipient checking not mention all the other host of things one needs/wants do before accepting message body data. You have looked beyond qmail and decided to stick with dot-qmail and other goodies and found yourself a qmail-smtpd replacement. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] OMNIOS
HI I see that there is a variant of opensolaris known as Omnios: http://omnios.omniti.com/ Is that related with Openindiana ?, Are there any advantages with it ? Thank you Paolo ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OMNIOS
Sounds like a minimal system, closer to SmartOS than OpenIndiana, but since most of their links were broken so it's hard to compare. On 4/23/12 9:27 AM, paolo marcheschi wrote: HI I see that there is a variant of opensolaris known as Omnios: http://omnios.omniti.com/ Is that related with Openindiana ?, Are there any advantages with it ? Thank you Paolo ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OMNIOS
their web servers run on Linux and Windows ... http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/hosted?netname=SCNET-NET-66-225-209-0-1,66.225.209.0,66.225.209.255 Eweek announced the OS on 4th April 2012 ... http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/OmniTI-Delivers-OmniOS-to-Replace-OpenSolaris-378324/ theoretically it might be worth keeping an eye on, but from first glance (avoiding their broken links) I am unsure if they are interested in joining our community, or pushing stuff back to us, or of supporting Illumos/OpenIndiana itself as a commercial entity. Jon On 23 April 2012 14:27, paolo marcheschi paolo.marches...@ftgm.it wrote: HI I see that there is a variant of opensolaris known as Omnios: http://omnios.omniti.com/ Is that related with Openindiana ?, Are there any advantages with it ? Thank you Paolo ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OMNIOS
On 23 April 2012 14:38, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote: their web servers run on Linux and Windows ... http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/hosted?netname=SCNET-NET-66-225-209-0-1,66.225.209.0,66.225.209.255 actually looking at it they are probably not running windows, except maybe as an accelerator (sounds like a stupid idea to me though). ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage serverandvirtual server enviroment
Hi, On 04/23/2012 02:38 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: I would argue that running a GUI on top of OI so that you can run VMs under virtualbox carries the same complexity (if I'm wrong, where is the extra layer?) I'm sorry, I was thinking of the (newly) introduced KVM -- I'm not really planning on using the OI as a regular desktop, but as a server. I agree that with Virtualbox, a better option would be ESXi, I guess, because the OI set-up is not simpler. Is KVM stable/usable for my scenario? Also, I wasn't aware of your HW limitations - AFAIK you never stated them. Well, the LSI card is well supported everywhere, afaik, so it should not be a problem (I bought it for use in solaris). I don't think either solution is better or more complicated - nor did I say so - just an alternative. I'm not trying to start an argument -- I really am new to this (virtualization+storage on the same server), so I'm exploring my options. :) Regards, Mats -Original Message- From: Mats Taraldsvik [mailto:mats.taralds...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:12 AM To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage serverandvirtual server enviroment Thanks. Doesn't the ESXi solution introduce another layer of complexity, though? That is, if my proposed solution with OI as the main OS and Storage server combined, with the vms on top of OI (and each vm with access to the storage server), isn't hard to set up/maintain than the ESXi solution. I should also note that I need to buy new hw. I have a LSI SAS1068E controller (reflashed Intel branded) which does not work with my current mainboard (only a single pcie x16 port which is reserved for a graphics card). Regards, Mats On 04/20/2012 02:51 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Depending on your cpumotherboard, an alternative 'all in one' server is to run ESXi on it, and virtualize OI. A key requirement for good performance is that cpu/motherboard support vt-d (pci pass-through.) the only trick is that you need two disk controllers - one that you pass through, and one to run a single (small cheap) disk for the local datastore that OI would live on. Be aware though that this is not officially supported by VMWare, so you need to make sure you are using HW that people know works. -Original Message- From: Mike La Spina [mailto:mike.lasp...@laspina.ca] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:41 AM To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage serverandvirtual server enviroment Hi, You can do all of that and much more. Here is one example. http://blog.laspina.ca/ubiquitous/provisioning_disaster_recovery_with_zf s Regards, Mike http://blog.laspina.ca/ -Original Message- From: Mats Taraldsvik [mailto:mats.taralds...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:31 AM To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Using OI as a combined storage server andvirtual server enviroment Hi, I'm currently using EON ZFS as a storage server, but would like to be able to host a couple of virtual machines as well -- using only a single server. Will I, using OI, be able to share a zpool between the virtual machines (created with KVM or another OI-supported technology, and stored in the same or a different zpool), either directly,through nfs or iscsi? Regards, Mats Taraldsvik ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OMNIOS
On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:27 AM, paolo marcheschi wrote: HI I see that there is a variant of opensolaris known as Omnios: No, it is an illumos distribution. http://omnios.omniti.com/ Is that related with Openindiana ?, Are there any advantages with it ? It is designed for the server market, not the desktop market. -- richard -- ZFS Performance and Training richard.ell...@richardelling.com +1-760-896-4422 ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OMNIOS
Richard Elling wrote: On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:27 AM, paolo marcheschi wrote: Is that related with Openindiana ?, Are there any advantages with it ? It is designed for the server market, not the desktop market. A small amount of searching locates a manifesto: http://lethargy.org/~jesus/writes/the-desktop-and-server-oil-and-water -- James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W carls...@workingcode.com ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Qmail-to-go on openindiana?
I will take you up on that! On 2012-04-23 17:22, openindiana-discuss-requ...@openindiana.org wrote: Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:44:13 -0400 From: l?zaronetad...@lex-sa.cu To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Qmail-to-go on openindiana? Message-ID:1335185053.1721.9.camel@localhost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 in Qmail, the security is patch-maked in postfix is by-design-maked for example, smtp auth, SASL, TLS and soon. Also postfix is more modular. You can use it with someSQL LDAP and all thats cute things. If need some help with postfix, can mail me to the private, postfix is my strong point. Greetings ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Qmail-to-go on openindiana?
I will take you up on that! done ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Qmail-to-go on openindiana?
On Monday, April 23, 2012 08:44 PM, låzaro wrote: in Qmail, the security is patch-maked in postfix is by-design-maked NO, that is not accurate. security where it means anti-spam, DJB did not bother because as far as he is concerned, the way things are, things are just broken. Too bad his idea of how email should work never took off. So any anti-spam features are provided by THIRD-PARTIES. It is not 'patch-maked'. There is zero anti-spam. As for postfix, 'by-design-maked' just means Wietse put in the time to develop postfix unlike DJB who stopped in 1998. for example, smtp auth, SASL, TLS and soon. Also postfix is more modular. You can use it with someSQL LDAP and all thats cute things. There is a qmail fork that does both sql and ldap too. postfix is only better because its developer continued to work on the code and keep up with the times and he built a good reputation while at it. No qmail fork has ever managed that because of DJB's stand on licensing but now that qmail is public domain, maybe in the future one of these forks might. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OMNIOS
Looks interesting. I dl'ed it and set it up in an ESXi VM and am playing with it. Definitely seems snappy. -Original Message- From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@richardelling.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:23 AM To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OMNIOS On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:27 AM, paolo marcheschi wrote: HI I see that there is a variant of opensolaris known as Omnios: No, it is an illumos distribution. http://omnios.omniti.com/ Is that related with Openindiana ?, Are there any advantages with it ? It is designed for the server market, not the desktop market. -- richard -- ZFS Performance and Training richard.ell...@richardelling.com +1-760-896-4422 ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
