Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Kalle Anka via openindiana-discuss
Well spoken,, Gea! I am in favour of consolidating the OpenSolarish community. If merging would reinvogarate interest and momentum, it can be worth it. And you guys have been discussing this merging for ages, it is your old idea taken up again. It seems that several of you think this is the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Till Wegmueller
So, to that question a bit of Background. OmniOS is more than just illumos and omni repo. It's also kayak and all their Projects. That is a huge amount of projects. There was work to allow installation of omnios illumos-gate instead of illumos-gate by simply switching packages. That can work,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Guenther Alka
Please ignore my lack of knowledge if I am not correct or simplify too much. As far as I know kayak is a tool to setup OmniOS. I do not use. I download either the OI or OmniOS installer, create a bootable dvd or USB stick from it and install the OS. When I use the OI text installer the result

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 6:23 PM Andreas Wacknitz wrote: > Am 07.01.21 um 18:08 schrieb Guenther Alka: > > Not broken as it never worked > > (multi purpose Illumos Unix with a stable/long term stable/newest beta > > base). > > > > OI currently: always and only newest beta based > > so Yes: (maybe

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Virtualbox and USB webcam

2021-01-07 Thread Till Wegmueller
Hey Tony That sounds to me like the a kernel driver is attaching to the device and thus Virtualbox cannot do that anymore. There is a blacklisting capability but I have never done that or know how exactly that works, or if it helps in this situation. It should be comparable to bhyve

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Aurélien Larcher
Hi, since I have now more or less recovered from Covid I can be active to some extent. Back in March I was working on: - building oi-userland with GCC-10 (everything was built except ~10 packages). - providing Python 3.8 and 3.9. - migrating pkg5 to Python 3.7. - updating Boost. - updating Clang.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Guenther Alka
In the end I do not think in these categories. A few years ago all my own servers were OpenIndiana and maybe 40% of my users on Solaris. Now I am 100% on OmniOS beside a OI evaluation machine (and miss OI features and use cases) and maybe 10% of my users are left on Solaris with OI near to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Till Wegmueller
Hey Aurelian Nice to have you back! We had a Maintainer meetup yesterday aswell and I am still processing the notes. And translating to English. (we where all German) But in short: I will get myself a Physical host with Hetzner with a ton of RAM and CPU so we can dedicate some zones and

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Till Wegmueller
No. Nobody is ever too small to achieve something. You just need to be clever about it. We always have the assumption that building packages is the main burden for Systems, but that is only if you don't have the right automation. And that is possible. Fully automate bumping package versions is

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Till Wegmueller
Nope On 07.01.21 18:05, Guenther Alka wrote: Please ignore my lack of knowledge if I am not correct or simplify too much. As far as I know kayak is a tool to setup OmniOS. I do not use. I download either the OI or OmniOS installer, create a bootable dvd or USB stick from it and install the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 11:04 PM Till Wegmueller wrote: > No. Nobody is ever too small to achieve something. You just need to be > clever about it. We always have the assumption that building packages is > the main burden for Systems, but that is only if you don't have the > right automation. And

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Virtualbox and USB webcam

2021-01-07 Thread Tony Brian Albers
Hi guys, I'm trying to get my webcam to work in a vbox guest (to use zoom), but even though it seems to be present in the VM, cheese, zoom and qv4l2 only shows a blank screen. The video device is there though. On the host I see: messages:Jan 7 15:46:00 emu usba: [ID 691482 kern.warning]

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Guenther Alka
Not broken as it never worked (multi purpose Illumos Unix with a stable/long term stable/newest beta base). OI currently: always and only newest beta based so Yes: (maybe easy to say as I cannot help to do the needed work - unsure about the needed efforts) When I remember the first steps of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Andreas Wacknitz
Am 07.01.21 um 18:08 schrieb Guenther Alka: Not broken as it never worked (multi purpose Illumos Unix with a stable/long term stable/newest beta base). OI currently: always and only newest beta based so Yes: (maybe easy to say as I cannot help to do the needed work - unsure about the needed

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Guenther Alka
I forgot What is the problem to install either pure Illumos or a Illumos freeze from OmniOS and use the OI repository additional to the core OmniOS and OmniOS extra repository to use the additional options? Where are the problems? Is this only to have same packages in different repositories

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Till Wegmueller
On 07.01.21 23:47, Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss wrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 13:57, Till Wegmueller wrote: I will get myself a Physical host with Hetzner with a ton of RAM and CPU so we can dedicate some zones and VM's to OpenIndiana building packages. Olaf has been working on a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 18:26, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > Those compilers can then bootstrap LLVM / Clang compilers. Absolutely > EVERYTHING ELSE is contingent on having reliable and modern C and C++ > compilers (and also Ada, D, Java (gcc-6 and earlier only), Fortran, > Objective C/C++, Pascal,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 19:06, Till Wegmueller wrote: > On 07.01.21 23:47, Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 13:57, Till Wegmueller wrote: > > https://fosshost.org > > > > It seems they will provide one or more virtual machines to projects > > for

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-07 19:06, Till Wegmueller wrote: On 07.01.21 23:47, Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss wrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 13:57, Till Wegmueller wrote: I will get myself a Physical host with Hetzner with a ton of RAM and CPU so we can dedicate some zones and VM's to OpenIndiana

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 13:57, Till Wegmueller wrote: > Hey Aurelian > > Nice to have you back! Yes, indeed! Sorry to hear you were ill, and glad to hear you are on the mend! > I will get myself a Physical host with Hetzner with a ton of RAM and CPU > so we can dedicate some zones and VM's to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Carsten Grzemba via openindiana-discuss
Am 08.01.21 05:15 schrieb Chris : > > On 2021-01-07 19:06, Till Wegmueller wrote: > >On 07.01.21 23:47, Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss wrote: > >>On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 13:57, Till Wegmueller wrote: > >>>I will get myself a Physical host with Hetzner with a ton of RAM and CPU >

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [oi-dev] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-07 13:39, Aurélien Larcher wrote: Hi, since I have now more or less recovered from Covid I can be active to some extent. Back in March I was working on: - building oi-userland with GCC-10 (everything was built except ~10 packages). - providing Python 3.8 and 3.9. - migrating pkg5 to

[OpenIndiana-discuss] New SPARC ISO for testing

2021-01-07 Thread Gary Mills
This ISO is the same as the previous 2018 ISO except for two bug fixes. If the last one didn't work for you, this one might. One of the fixes is for one of disk drivers, one that's only used on newer systems. It happens because driver is in two parts, causing the boot to fail. It stops with

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-07 13:50, Guenther Alka wrote: In the end I do not think in these categories. A few years ago all my own servers were OpenIndiana and maybe 40% of my users on Solaris. Now I am 100% on OmniOS beside a OI evaluation machine (and miss OI features and use cases) and maybe 10% of my

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Tasks to focus on

2021-01-07 Thread Nelson H. F. Beebe
Aurelien Larcher kindly posted his OpenIndiana project list from last spring in e-mail on this list of Thu, 7 Jan 2021 22:39:12 +0100. Among your projects from March 2020, I believe strongly that the most important BY FAR is getting gcc-10 to build itself and all of the OpenIndiana / Omnios

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-07 06:02, Kalle Anka via openindiana-discuss wrote: Well spoken,, Gea! I am in favour of consolidating the OpenSolarish community. If merging would reinvogarate interest and momentum, it can be worth it. And you guys have been discussing this merging for ages, it is your old idea

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Great job of programming!

2021-01-07 Thread Donald Willinger
This is the best UNIX (BSD) type system on the internet. In fact, it is the only BSD designed Unix that has installed on my laptop or desktop computers without spending hours upon hours of work and still failing to get the system working. It appears that all other distros have dropped support

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Guenther Alka
I also own a project with mainly me and a few contributors (napp-it). It's not the number of devs but the spirit to do something that matters. You exactly point to the essential point. With not enough people working on something not paid for doing without hope and energy your only choices are

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Merging OI + OmniOS? (And OpenZFS vs ZFS)

2021-01-07 Thread Nona Hansel
Hello everybody, I'm not in the position of propose something or provide some insight to this topic since I've started contributing to OI just in recent three months. But I can say that I don't lack spirit, yet I do lack experience and knowledge. My backgroud isn't IT, I'm not familiar with