Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-08 Thread Bryan Iotti
: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future Mail number: 16 Date: Tue, Nov 06, 2012 In reply to: Apostolos Syropoulos MATE project could see in OI a choose for climb in the desktops enviroment war. There is another Gnome fork named Cinammon (I guest) Indeed and here's the link: https

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-07 Thread låzaro
try it via Mailing list, after pull Stefano to #openindiana Cinnamon is from a to Linux Mint... Thread name: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future Mail number: 16 Date: Tue, Nov 06, 2012 In reply to: Apostolos Syropoulos MATE project could see in OI a choose for climb

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-07 Thread låzaro
/building:1.6 08:46stefano-k | http://pub.mate-desktop.org/releases/1.5/ Thread name: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future Mail number: 1 Date: Tue, Nov 06, 2012 In reply to: Apostolos Syropoulos locale_t/newlocale()/uselocale() and the *_l() apis are hardly Linuxize

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-06 Thread James Carlson
Irek Szczesniak wrote: Stubs won't be allowed, too. configure will just fail if they detect a stub which still uses or relies on setlocale(). For what it's worth, the point of a stub would be to ignore attempts to change locale, not to try to change the process-level locale on the fly. --

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-06 Thread låzaro
: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future Mail number: 13 Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2012 In reply to: Apostolos Syropoulos https://mail.gnome.org/archives/distributor-list/2012-November/msg2.html The GNOME community today announced the EOL of their fallback mode,  These people have

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-06 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
locale_t/newlocale()/uselocale() and the *_l() apis are hardly Linuxize your OS, they are POSIX. I was not talking about these things but about the adoption of things like udev.   -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-06 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
MATE project could see in OI a choose for climb in the desktops enviroment war. There is another Gnome fork named Cinammon (I guest) Indeed and here's the link: https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon   A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-06 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 11/ 6/12 03:18 AM, låzaro wrote: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/distributor-list/2012-November/msg2.html The GNOME community today announced the EOL of their fallback mode, On 11/ 6/12 08:23 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: MATE project could see in OI a choose for climb in the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-05 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 11/ 1/12 02:29 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 11/ 1/12 02:20 PM, Irek Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote: from what I remember of the conversations of the time, we cannot move to Gnome 3 because of certain Linux dependencies ...

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-05 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/distributor-list/2012-November/msg2.html The GNOME community today announced the EOL of their fallback mode,  These people have created a desktop for Linux and they do not care about anything else. Unfortunately, this happens with many projects. So either

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-05 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 11/ 3/12 04:55 PM, Milan Jurik wrote: Hi, On út, 2012-10-30 at 13:27 -0400, låzaro wrote: Hi all, as many people don't wanna see, gnome future is like a submarine without roof. So, my question. What about make the new gnome's fork as default desktop enviroment, just like is making linux

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-05 Thread Irek Szczesniak
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com wrote: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/distributor-list/2012-November/msg2.html The GNOME community today announced the EOL of their fallback mode, These people have created a desktop for Linux and they do not

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-03 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-01 18:18, Dmitry Kozhinov wrote: I do not feel similarly :) if it didn't feature a GUI we wouldn't notice or care. I felt similarly for decades - on either linux or solaris, an X11 environment for me was just a way to: 1) Run many terminals instead of one in text mode, 2) Run

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-03 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi, On út, 2012-10-30 at 13:27 -0400, låzaro wrote: Hi all, as many people don't wanna see, gnome future is like a submarine without roof. So, my question. What about make the new gnome's fork as default desktop enviroment, just like is making linux mint. OI always have the step in the next

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-03 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 11/ 3/12 08:55 AM, Milan Jurik wrote: at fifth - Oracle team did some work on Gnome 3 on top of Solaris, they have to publish it if they will distribute it. I am not saying I will help with Gnome 3 on top of OI but somebody else could do that. A bunch of that was already published in the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-03 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi, On so, 2012-11-03 at 09:07 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 11/ 3/12 08:55 AM, Milan Jurik wrote: at fifth - Oracle team did some work on Gnome 3 on top of Solaris, they have to publish it if they will distribute it. I am not saying I will help with Gnome 3 on top of OI but somebody

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-02 Thread låzaro
. I would suggest it as and avalaible package, just by traditions and memories. CDE is now free, also could be use as light weight desktop solution. good days or night... Thread name: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future Mail number: 26 Date: Thu, Nov 01, 2012 In reply to: Dmitry

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-01 Thread Ron Parker
Maybe I'm the oddball in the bunch. But I've been running OpenIndiana as my desktop OS on my laptop at work since OI-147 was released two years ago. Why? I don't care about shiny new UI gloss, but I have to have a stable system. What do I mean by that? One that can run stably without rebooting

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-01 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 11/ 1/12 03:56 PM, Ron Parker wrote: Maybe I'm the oddball in the bunch. But I've been running OpenIndiana as my desktop OS on my laptop at work since OI-147 was released two years ago. ... There is no reason OI could not make a good working desktop. It's been fine for my needs for two

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-01 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
+1.  There are alot of very useful desktop operating systems already, so i see no point in OI trying to compete with them.  In business This way of thinking is responsible for what happened to Solaris. No OI should be a server and a desktop system. Otherwise, OI will die pretty soon.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-01 Thread Magnus
On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: Gnome 2 is perfect (apart from a few annoying bugs), Gnome3/Unity would be a drawback indeed, and nobody here wants to go back to such basic stuff as xfce and other incapable desktop systems (KDE may would be an option). As long as gtk3

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-01 Thread Dmitry Kozhinov
I do not feel similarly :) if it didn't feature a GUI we wouldn't notice or care. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-01 Thread Dmitry Kozhinov
Yet I remember OpenWindows... Quite distinctive. WindowMaker sounds good. Used it for a while a few years ago. Been thinking about looking at it again. :) ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-01 Thread Irek Szczesniak
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote: from what I remember of the conversations of the time, we cannot move to Gnome 3 because of certain Linux dependencies ... Gnome 2 is no longer changing, and no longer being patched ... The problem with Gnome 3 is

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-11-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 11/ 1/12 02:20 PM, Irek Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote: from what I remember of the conversations of the time, we cannot move to Gnome 3 because of certain Linux dependencies ... Gnome 2 is no longer changing, and no longer

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread låzaro
Hi all, as many people don't wanna see, gnome future is like a submarine without roof. So, my question. What about make the new gnome's fork as default desktop enviroment, just like is making linux mint. OI always have the step in the next time. That project look like very good with a lot of good

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Jonathan Adams
from what I remember of the conversations of the time, we cannot move to Gnome 3 because of certain Linux dependencies ... Gnome 2 is no longer changing, and no longer being patched ... We don't have time or resources to support a Gnome 2 desktop system development fork (at least I don't and I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Peter Tribble
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 5:27 PM, låzaro netad...@lex-sa.cu wrote: Hi all, as many people don't wanna see, gnome future is like a submarine without roof. So, my question. What about make the new gnome's fork as default desktop enviroment, just like is making linux mint. OI always have the step

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread magnus
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:27:59 -0400, låzaro netad...@lex-sa.cu wrote: Hi all, as many people don't wanna see, gnome future is like a submarine without roof. So, my question. What about make the new gnome's fork as default desktop enviroment, just like is making linux mint. OI always have the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Nathan Kunkee
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:35:02 + From: t12nsloo...@gmail.com To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future from what I remember of the conversations of the time, we cannot move to Gnome 3 because of certain Linux dependencies

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Jonathan Adams
Mate is a fork of Gnome 2 that already has a community behind it. Mint features Mate as a key desktop choice. http://mate-desktop.org/ except that Mate looks nothing like Gnome 2 ... so if the idea is to keep the look and feel of the current environment then Mate is not the way to go. We'd

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread openbabel
I am of a commercial view. I am interested in the most popular desktop and most developed environment which is accepted by the current or potential user base.It would not be the correct choice going with a project which either peters out or is not accepted by commercial users as this would

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread magnus
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:25:13 +, openbabel openba...@gmail.com wrote: As an Enterprise system the commercial view should prevail? This is based on the false premise that OpenIndiana is an enterprise desktop operating system. ___

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Ben Taylor
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:25 AM, openbabel openba...@gmail.com wrote: I am of a commercial view. I am interested in the most popular desktop and most developed environment which is accepted by the current or potential user base.It would not be the correct choice going with a project which

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Julius Roberts
On 1 November 2012 02:33, mag...@yonderway.com wrote: This is based on the false premise that OpenIndiana is an enterprise desktop operating system. +1. There are alot of very useful desktop operating systems already, so i see no point in OI trying to compete with them. In business speak OI

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Maxim Kondratovich
So why OI has DE at all? Leading to your logic community has to cut off DE from distribution at all... And what we will have? Another one illumos based server distribution?! I see OI as OS for general purposes, so stopping development in DE will decrease value of OI. Yes, community is to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Magnus Hedemark
I never suggested stopping DE development. I merely suggested that thinking of OI as an enterprise desktop OS is trying to sell an idea that enterprises aren't going to buy. I'm actually going to switch from Mac to OI laptop after the holidays (getting crazier with age). Sent from my

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Roel_D
A GUI is only needed when you want to use the gui I see more benefit in better webmin-support for zfs, mysql and other serversoftware. Kind regards, The out-side Op 31 okt. 2012 om 23:30 heeft Julius Roberts hooliowobb...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On 1 November 2012 02:33,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Julius Roberts
On 1 November 2012 09:48, Maxim Kondratovich maxim@gmail.com wrote: So why OI has DE at all? Leading to your logic community has to cut off DE from distribution at all... And what we will have? Another one illumos based server distribution?! The community will do whatever the community

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, mag...@yonderway.com wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:25:13 +, openbabel openba...@gmail.com wrote: As an Enterprise system the commercial view should prevail? This is based on the false premise that OpenIndiana is an enterprise desktop operating system. I would take

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Christopher Chan
webmin? Ick. Swapping a desktop gui for a web gui...still get a gui. So just offshore the gui problem eh? On Thursday, November 01, 2012 06:55 AM, Roel_D wrote: A GUI is only needed when you want to use the gui I see more benefit in better webmin-support for zfs, mysql and other

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Christopher Chan
On Thursday, November 01, 2012 03:01 AM, Ben Taylor wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:25 AM, openbabelopenba...@gmail.com wrote: I am of a commercial view. I am interested in the most popular desktop and most developed environment which is accepted by the current or potential user base.It

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Gregory S. Youngblood
WindowMaker sounds good. Used it for a while a few years ago. Been thinking about looking at it again. :) -- Sent from my Jelly Bean Galaxy Nexus Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: On Thursday, November 01, 2012 03:01 AM, Ben Taylor wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Gnome and the future

2012-10-31 Thread Jerry Kemp
I used WindowMaker for a couple years myself. It is an easy compile on *Solaris and works well. At least it compiled easy for me. I ultimately went back to OpenWindows. I own a large stock of Solaris 8 media, so I will never be without my OpenWindows packages. Jerry Kemp On 10/31/12 08:18