Re: Innovation (Was: WebView and WebGL)

2017-09-10 Thread John-Val Rose
Thanks Nir. I am very aware of the formal processes involved but also cognisant of the considerable time/delays and "red tape" that can be an undesirable consequence of such formality. I'm also not a "hope for the best" kinda guy. I think first we really need (and really hope) someone from

Re: Innovation (Was: WebView and WebGL)

2017-09-10 Thread Nir Lisker
I don't mind giving it a go but I wouldn't like doing the work and then it not getting implemented (if the result is a success). Personally, I think that the first thing we should do is make a list of what exactly it is we are trying to do if only to get a sense of the magnitude and be sure we

Innovation (Was: WebView and WebGL)

2017-09-10 Thread John-Val Rose
Nir, You're not "hijacking" anything - I think it's been established that this a broader "3D API support" issue. In fact, even broader than that. I'm only new on the JavaFX "scene" but I've looked through the history and tried to analyse the present and anticipate the future. It seems that

Re: Support additional video codec and container format

2017-09-10 Thread Sverre Moe
Some very old issues for this kind of change https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8091063 https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8091656 One new comment on the latter issue suggesting to add new formats like "Ogg/{Vorbis,Theora}, flac, matroska (MKV), Opus, VP8, 3GPP, GSM" This would be

Re: WebView and WebGL

2017-09-10 Thread Nir Lisker
I don't want to hijack the WebGL discussion but since it rolled into the 3D library territory anyway I'll give my 2 cents. 3D enhancement are indeed not planned for Java10 (at the minimum) and indeed you can't bring your own shader (asked already at

Re: WebView and WebGL

2017-09-10 Thread John-Val Rose
...if only you could "bring your own" shader :-; On 10 Sep 2017, at 21:04, Mike Hearn wrote: >> >> (And yes, the current JavaFX 3D features are extremely rudimentary and not >> particularly useful. I don't expect them to be ever enhanced. They're >> effectively "frozen". It's

Re: WebView and WebGL

2017-09-10 Thread Mike Hearn
> > (And yes, the current JavaFX 3D features are extremely rudimentary and not > particularly useful. I don't expect them to be ever enhanced. They're > effectively "frozen". It's a harsh call but I think they were a mistake > from day one. We need a completely different alternative). > I