Re: CNET: Google begins barring browser plug-ins from Chrome

2013-09-29 Thread Joe McGlynn 
Applets, whether old-school applets that are deployed with an HTML tag or 
modern JNLP applets do require the plugin.

Web Start applications (JWS), which are deployed using JNLP but run outside of 
the browser, do not require the plug-in.  They are usually launched using mime 
type associations to fire up javaws.  There is one mechanism that can be used 
to launch Web Start applications automatically using a JS call but that depends 
on the native Deployment Toolkit plugin, so if Google proceeds with their plans 
and if Oracle does nothing that would also be affected.

In both JNLP and tag-style applets, and JWS apps the deployment code takes care 
of downloading the application artifacts (JARs, DLLs, etc), both initially and 
if they have changed from what is in the Java app cache (e.g. javaws -viewer).


On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Mark Fortner phidia...@gmail.com wrote:

 snip
 When you click a JNLP link (or button, invoke javascript, whatever...) the
 browser downloads a JNLP file then runs javaws to open that file. Beyond
 that there is no involvement with the browser.
 /snip

 
 I believe that's true for webstart applications, but not for webstart
 applets. In the latter case, webstart is used to handle jar caching and
 updating. And in that case, I believe applet startup would be effected.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Mark

Re: CNET: Google begins barring browser plug-ins from Chrome

2013-09-25 Thread Mark Fortner 
Hi Daniel,
I guess everyone is still too caught up in the javaone frenzy to reply.

We'll probably convert our web start applet into an application. All of the
lighter-weight stuff may get migrated to html5 or we might look at a widget
framework as a container for those applets. Depends on the amount of work
required for conversion.

Mark
 On Sep 24, 2013 10:17 PM, Daniel Zwolenski zon...@gmail.com wrote:

 Google begins barring browser plug-ins from Chrome:
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57604242-93/google-begins-barring-browser-plug-ins-from-chrome/?tag=mobile_social

Re: CNET: Google begins barring browser plug-ins from Chrome

2013-09-25 Thread Fabrizio Giudici 

On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:55:39 +0200, Tom Eugelink t...@tbee.org wrote:



Nope, just too busy, period :-)

I have an applet that I use for hour registration. It has been working  
for me for years, and it would be a real bummer if that needs to be  
rewritten (unnecessary hours). I'd probably consider using a different  
browser.


But I also read in the article that Google did something to the Flash  
player to make it run on the other API. Maybe Java...


From what I understand Java WebStart should still work, just not  
supporting applet embedded in the page. Applications launched by  
WebStart should be unaffected. Or am I missing something?



--
Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s.
We make Java work. Everywhere.
http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it

Re: CNET: Google begins barring browser plug-ins from Chrome

2013-09-25 Thread Joe McGlynn 
You're correct, this only affects applets (Java apps that run inside the web 
page).

We've just learned about this move from NPAPI, so it's too early to speculate 
what we'll do.  We are certainly going to evaluate what it will take to support 
PPAPI and what the tradeoffs are.

Joe


On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it 
wrote:

 On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:55:39 +0200, Tom Eugelink t...@tbee.org wrote:
 
 
 Nope, just too busy, period :-)
 
 I have an applet that I use for hour registration. It has been working for 
 me for years, and it would be a real bummer if that needs to be rewritten 
 (unnecessary hours). I'd probably consider using a different browser.
 
 But I also read in the article that Google did something to the Flash player 
 to make it run on the other API. Maybe Java...
 
 From what I understand Java WebStart should still work, just not supporting 
 applet embedded in the page. Applications launched by WebStart should be 
 unaffected. Or am I missing something?
 
 
 -- 
 Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s.
 We make Java work. Everywhere.
 http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it

CNET: Google begins barring browser plug-ins from Chrome

2013-09-24 Thread Daniel Zwolenski 
Google begins barring browser plug-ins from Chrome: 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57604242-93/google-begins-barring-browser-plug-ins-from-chrome/?tag=mobile_social