Re: Java & JavaFX on mobiles

[Mike Hearn]

Re: AOT.

At the JVMLS summit there was a talk on a HotSpot AOT compiler mode. It's
being worked on, however, as a commercial feature.

RoboVM provides an AOT compiler for iOS.

Re: Java & JavaFX on mobiles

[Steve Hannah]

I recall reading that these JDKs won't include any UI components.  Since
iOS doesn't support JIT, the iOS port of JDK will certainly be AOT
compiling.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Felix Bembrick 
wrote:

> The world of Java and JavaFX is growing more confusing than ever it seems.
>
> Some say Oracle is cutting back on funding for Java because it is
> effectively helping its competitors. Sounds similar to Google forking
> WebKit so they weren't writing code for Apple.
>
> But now we hear of the looming release of official JDKs for iOS and
> Android from Oracle.
>
> Will these JDKs be the best and simplest way of running JavaFX on those
> platforms? Without JIT support, will these JDKs support AOT compiling?
>
> Do the proposed JDKs for mobiles even include JavaFX?
>
> Felix




-- 
Steve Hannah
Web Lite Solutions Corp.

Re: Java & JavaFX on mobiles

[Donald Smith]

JavaFX is already 100% open source.  It can be used with the code that 
will be contributed when the proposed OpenJDK project is approved.  
These are not orthogonal in any way.


 - Don


On 07/10/2015 5:21 PM, Felix Bembrick wrote:

What would be the reason/logic for not including JavaFX in these JDKs?


On 8 Oct 2015, at 08:19, Steve Hannah  wrote:

I recall reading that these JDKs won't include any UI components.  Since iOS 
doesn't support JIT, the iOS port of JDK will certainly be AOT compiling.


On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Felix Bembrick  wrote:
The world of Java and JavaFX is growing more confusing than ever it seems.

Some say Oracle is cutting back on funding for Java because it is effectively 
helping its competitors. Sounds similar to Google forking WebKit so they 
weren't writing code for Apple.

But now we hear of the looming release of official JDKs for iOS and Android 
from Oracle.

Will these JDKs be the best and simplest way of running JavaFX on those 
platforms? Without JIT support, will these JDKs support AOT compiling?

Do the proposed JDKs for mobiles even include JavaFX?

Felix



--
Steve Hannah
Web Lite Solutions Corp.

Re: Java & JavaFX on mobiles

[Richard Bair]

Donald, do you know if the iOS version has the JIT compiler? I know Apple 
reduced the restriction for some cases, but I can’t remember if it applied to 
us or not. Or is the VM on iOS interpreter only?

Richard

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Donald Smith  wrote:
> 
> There is no "official  JDKs for iOS and Android", and anyone that tries to 
> spin the recent OpenJDK project announcement as such is likely just trying to 
> consume you as click-bait.  The recent project announcement is simply to make 
> internal code we have for some of our other commercial products available to 
> those who may wish to use it (and therefore we hopefully benefit from any 
> contributions back). That's it.  It won't be released as part of the Oracle 
> JDK.  It's just some source, for OpenJDK.
> 
> - Don
> 
> On 07/10/2015 5:11 PM, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>> The world of Java and JavaFX is growing more confusing than ever it seems.
>> 
>> Some say Oracle is cutting back on funding for Java because it is 
>> effectively helping its competitors. Sounds similar to Google forking WebKit 
>> so they weren't writing code for Apple.
>> 
>> But now we hear of the looming release of official JDKs for iOS and Android 
>> from Oracle.
>> 
>> Will these JDKs be the best and simplest way of running JavaFX on those 
>> platforms? Without JIT support, will these JDKs support AOT compiling?
>> 
>> Do the proposed JDKs for mobiles even include JavaFX?
>> 
>> Felix
> 

Java & JavaFX on mobiles

[Felix Bembrick]

The world of Java and JavaFX is growing more confusing than ever it seems.

Some say Oracle is cutting back on funding for Java because it is effectively 
helping its competitors. Sounds similar to Google forking WebKit so they 
weren't writing code for Apple.

But now we hear of the looming release of official JDKs for iOS and Android 
from Oracle.

Will these JDKs be the best and simplest way of running JavaFX on those 
platforms? Without JIT support, will these JDKs support AOT compiling?

Do the proposed JDKs for mobiles even include JavaFX?

Felix

Re: Java & JavaFX on mobiles

[Felix Bembrick]

What would be the reason/logic for not including JavaFX in these JDKs?

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 08:19, Steve Hannah  wrote:
> 
> I recall reading that these JDKs won't include any UI components.  Since iOS 
> doesn't support JIT, the iOS port of JDK will certainly be AOT compiling.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Felix Bembrick  
>> wrote:
>> The world of Java and JavaFX is growing more confusing than ever it seems.
>> 
>> Some say Oracle is cutting back on funding for Java because it is 
>> effectively helping its competitors. Sounds similar to Google forking WebKit 
>> so they weren't writing code for Apple.
>> 
>> But now we hear of the looming release of official JDKs for iOS and Android 
>> from Oracle.
>> 
>> Will these JDKs be the best and simplest way of running JavaFX on those 
>> platforms? Without JIT support, will these JDKs support AOT compiling?
>> 
>> Do the proposed JDKs for mobiles even include JavaFX?
>> 
>> Felix
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Steve Hannah
> Web Lite Solutions Corp.

Re: Java & JavaFX on mobiles

[Donald Smith]

There is no "official  JDKs for iOS and Android", and anyone that tries 
to spin the recent OpenJDK project announcement as such is likely just 
trying to consume you as click-bait.  The recent project announcement is 
simply to make internal code we have for some of our other commercial 
products available to those who may wish to use it (and therefore we 
hopefully benefit from any contributions back). That's it.  It won't be 
released as part of the Oracle JDK.  It's just some source, for OpenJDK.


 - Don

On 07/10/2015 5:11 PM, Felix Bembrick wrote:

The world of Java and JavaFX is growing more confusing than ever it seems.

Some say Oracle is cutting back on funding for Java because it is effectively 
helping its competitors. Sounds similar to Google forking WebKit so they 
weren't writing code for Apple.

But now we hear of the looming release of official JDKs for iOS and Android 
from Oracle.

Will these JDKs be the best and simplest way of running JavaFX on those 
platforms? Without JIT support, will these JDKs support AOT compiling?

Do the proposed JDKs for mobiles even include JavaFX?

Felix

Re: Java & JavaFX on mobiles

[Donald Smith]

Not sure, I would suggest asking on the project proposal thread?

 - Don

On 07/10/2015 5:25 PM, Richard Bair wrote:

Donald, do you know if the iOS version has the JIT compiler? I know Apple 
reduced the restriction for some cases, but I can’t remember if it applied to 
us or not. Or is the VM on iOS interpreter only?

Richard


On Oct 7, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Donald Smith  wrote:

There is no "official  JDKs for iOS and Android", and anyone that tries to spin 
the recent OpenJDK project announcement as such is likely just trying to consume you as 
click-bait.  The recent project announcement is simply to make internal code we have for 
some of our other commercial products available to those who may wish to use it (and 
therefore we hopefully benefit from any contributions back). That's it.  It won't be 
released as part of the Oracle JDK.  It's just some source, for OpenJDK.

- Don

On 07/10/2015 5:11 PM, Felix Bembrick wrote:

The world of Java and JavaFX is growing more confusing than ever it seems.

Some say Oracle is cutting back on funding for Java because it is effectively 
helping its competitors. Sounds similar to Google forking WebKit so they 
weren't writing code for Apple.

But now we hear of the looming release of official JDKs for iOS and Android 
from Oracle.

Will these JDKs be the best and simplest way of running JavaFX on those 
platforms? Without JIT support, will these JDKs support AOT compiling?

Do the proposed JDKs for mobiles even include JavaFX?

Felix