Re: Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress)

2013-07-20 Thread Mario Torre
, 19 July 2013 15:01 To: Daniel Zwolenski Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net; mike.ehrenberg@barchart.comEhrenberg; JeremyJongsma Subject: Re: Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress) A Java Runtime on top of JavaScript - http://wiki.apidesign.org/wiki/Bck2Brwsr -Sven On Fri

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-18 Thread Artem Ananiev
On 7/18/2013 3:00 AM, David Ray wrote: Hi Richard, I don't see any mention of WebStart and JavaFX on the milestone list - are issues surrounding (and suffocating :)) WebStart going to addressed as part of the JDK release 8 instead? Java Plugin and Java Web Start are not parts of JavaFX

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-18 Thread Daniel Zwolenski
Sure, but no one other than the JFX team are (or will be) working on these right? They are effectively desktop technologies and no other team has any interest in them I'm guessing? I'd assume if they're not on the JFX roadmap, they're not on the Java roadmap? On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:48 PM,

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-18 Thread David Ray
I don't want to open up the webstart can of worms here, but we have multiple issues surrounding recognition and validity of signed jars when using certain VMARGS in combination with OSGi style deployment. We finally settled on JWrapper due to WebStarts apparent brittleness - but as you say,

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-18 Thread Daniel Zwolenski
By 'deployment team' you mean Mark Howe, etc? There's no other team working on anything to do with deployment right? On 19/07/2013, at 12:22 AM, Joe McGlynn joe.mcgl...@oracle.com wrote: No, the deployment team works on these, not the FX team. It's the same bits for FX and Swing/AWT when

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-18 Thread David Ray
Ray cognitionmiss...@gmail.com Cc: mike.ehrenb...@barchart.com Ehrenberg mike.ehrenb...@barchart.com, openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net, JeremyJongsma jer...@barchart.com Sent: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:47:46 +1000 Subject: Re: JavaFX 8 Progress Among general

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-18 Thread Mark Fortner
I've heard the webstart is broke, don't fix it, move on song before from a number of people. What I haven't heard is a credible solution to solving the very real problem of keeping an app up-to-date in a corporate setting. For the most part, I agree that if you're in the business of selling

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-18 Thread ozemale
@openjdk.java.net , JeremyJongsma Sent:Thu, 18 Jul 2013 14:30:16 -0700 Subject:Re: JavaFX 8 Progress I've heard the webstart is broke, don't fix it, move on song before from a number of people. What I haven't heard is a credible solution to solving the very real problem of keeping an app up

Re: Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress)

2013-07-18 Thread David Ray
So you're saying, once I create my new JavaFX app with all the new beautiful and wondrous JavaFX goodies - I can do what? Sit at home and look at it? :) David On Jul 18, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Daniel Zwolenski zon...@gmail.com wrote: There are definitely credible alternatives. The problem is

Re: Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress)

2013-07-18 Thread Mario Torre
For Swing you can actually use CacioWeb, works quite well. Zero deployment, no VM needed, no plugin, just an HTML 5 capable browser. Doesn't work with JavaFX unfortunately. Cheers, Mario Il giorno 19/lug/2013 00:03, Daniel Zwolenski zon...@gmail.com ha scritto: There are definitely credible

Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress)

2013-07-18 Thread Daniel Zwolenski
There are definitely credible alternatives. The problem is currently the alternatives are not implemented well enough so web still ends up a contender just by being the only one able to stand up. And for the record I build both public facing apps and back-office apps and web deploy does not

RE: Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress)

2013-07-18 Thread John Smith
: mike.ehrenberg@barchart.comEhrenberg; openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net; JeremyJongsma Subject: Re: Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress) For Swing you can actually use CacioWeb, works quite well. Zero deployment, no VM needed, no plugin, just an HTML 5 capable browser. Doesn't work with JavaFX

Re: Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress)

2013-07-18 Thread David Ray
A list of JWrapper's features: Oracle, are you ready to buy these guys yet? If you don't, we will… :) Easily deploy Java as native apps (for free) But lets break that down... Easily... To us, this means being able to build for everything, on anything - true cross platform builds. Multiple

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-18 Thread Daniel Zwolenski
8 Progress Among general complaints and my own disasters with it, I had this guy write to me: http://web-conferencing-central.com The failure of webstart is making him lose customers (they literally are emailing him and telling him it's too hard to install). This is one of the very

JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-17 Thread Peter Penzov
Hi, I'm new to JavaFX I'm interested what is the current progress of development of JavaFX 8. I want to use it for base framework for my enterprise application but I have concerns is it stable to be used? Can you give me some information do you plan to add something else before the official

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-17 Thread Richard Bair
Hi Peter, Our dates match up with JDK 8: http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk8/milestones Feature complete was a month ago (but little API tweaks continue to happen). Things are supposed to be reasonably stable by October 24 (Zero Bug Bounce

Re: JavaFX 8 Progress

2013-07-17 Thread David Ray
Hi Richard, I don't see any mention of WebStart and JavaFX on the milestone list - are issues surrounding (and suffocating :)) WebStart going to addressed as part of the JDK release 8 instead? David Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Richard Bair richard.b...@oracle.com