Re: [openrailwaymap] Is "deelectrified" really a good idea?

2016-10-10 Thread Denis Stein

Dear all,

Am 08.10.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Alexander Matheisen:

Am Freitag, den 07.10.2016, 13:07 +0200 schrieb Denis Stein:

Similar topic, same issue: Can/Shall the lifecycle tagging scheme
also
be used for nodes?

E.g., near Hamburg Hbf. a node [1] is currently tagged as follows:


railway:disused=switch
railway:local_operated=no
railway:switch=default



If you want to use lifecycle tagging, then the disused has to be before
the key itself, e.g. disused:railway=switch, not
railway:disused=switch.

So your example should be:

* disused:railway=switch
* disused:railway:local_operated=no
* disused:railway:switch=default

railway=disused for nodes is just wrong because the meaning of
railway=disused is "a disused railway track", not "any type of disused
railway feature".


Ok, I see. And how should I tag disused/abandoned turntables correctly?

[1] uses:


disused turntable
railway disused


[2, 3] uses (latter one for abandoned):


disused yes
railway turntable


Considering the life cycle, the "best" tagging might be:


disused:railway=turntable [abandoned:railway=turntable]


Right?

Kind regards,

Denis.

[1] 

[2] 

[3] 

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Re: [openrailwaymap] Is "deelectrified" really a good idea?

2016-10-08 Thread Alexander Matheisen
Am Freitag, den 07.10.2016, 13:07 +0200 schrieb Denis Stein:
> Similar topic, same issue: Can/Shall the lifecycle tagging scheme
> also 
> be used for nodes?
> 
> E.g., near Hamburg Hbf. a node [1] is currently tagged as follows:
> 
> > 
> > railway:disused=switch
> > railway:local_operated=no
> > railway:switch=default
> I would prefer two additional tags:
> 
> > 
> > disused:railway=switch
> > railway:disused=switch
> > railway:local_operated=no
> > railway:switch=default
> > railway=disused
> However, JOSM complains on the usage of "railway=disused" on nodes.

If you want to use lifecycle tagging, then the disused has to be before
the key itself, e.g. disused:railway=switch, not
railway:disused=switch.

So your example should be:

* disused:railway=switch
* disused:railway:local_operated=no
* disused:railway:switch=default

railway=disused for nodes is just wrong because the meaning of
railway=disused is "a disused railway track", not "any type of disused
railway feature".


Regards
Alex

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Re: [openrailwaymap] Is "deelectrified" really a good idea?

2016-10-07 Thread Denis Stein

Dear all,

Am 26.09.2016 um 17:24 schrieb Michael Reichert:

Active: railway=rail;*=*

Removed: railway=abandoned;abandoned:railway=rail;abandoned:*=*


abanoned:railway=* (aka lifecycle tagging scheme) competes with the
tagging used for non-operational roads (e.g. highway=construction +
construction=motorway). OpenRailwayMap currently tries to support
tagging scheme and I think that we should not force anyone to move from
one tagging scheme to another also it is better in the case of a
cycleway or road built on a former railway track (and the road currently
being closed due to construction works).

In future (future means many months, not many years), OpenRailwayMap
could enforce adding abandoned:railway=* or abandoned=* (and the same
for disused, construction etc.) to get the features rendered. We did
this already with usage=* (tracks without usage tag get rendered really
late) and railway:signal:direction. We just have to inform mappers a
while beforehand to prevent to much anger. :-)


Similar topic, same issue: Can/Shall the lifecycle tagging scheme also 
be used for nodes?


E.g., near Hamburg Hbf. a node [1] is currently tagged as follows:


railway:disused=switch
railway:local_operated=no
railway:switch=default


I would prefer two additional tags:


disused:railway=switch
railway:disused=switch
railway:local_operated=no
railway:switch=default
railway=disused


However, JOSM complains on the usage of "railway=disused" on nodes.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards,

Denis.

[1] 

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Dipl.-Inf. Denis Stein
Research Scientist
Research Division ISPE | Research Department MPS

FZI Forschungszentrum Informatik
Haid-und-Neu-Str. 10–14
76131 Karlsruhe, Germany

Tel.: +49 721 9654-276

st...@fzi.de
www.fzi.de/mitarbeiter/stein

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FZI Forschungszentrum Informatik am Karlsruher Institut für Technologie
Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts
Stiftung Az: 14-0563.1 Regierungspräsidium Karlsruhe
Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Andreas Oberweis, Prof. Dr. Ralf Reussner,
Jan Wiesenberger, Prof. Dr.-Ing. J. Marius Zöllner
Vorsitzender des Kuratoriums: Ministerialdirigent Günther Leßnerkraus
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