Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-12 Thread Melanie
I'm fine with the name change... it wasn't never meant to last until 1.0, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. There are references on the Wiki and one in code. Melanie Justin Clark-Casey wrote: Melanie wrote: Pre 1.0, devs have a tendency to put jokes into software. Most don't last,

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-11 Thread James Stallings II
@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? +1 for B.U.S.T : in B.U.S.T we trust ! Laurent Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:03:58 +0200 From: drscofi...@xyzzyxyzzy.net To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-11 Thread Melanie
...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Laurent B. Sent: den 9 juli 2009 14:01 To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? +1 for B.U.S.T : in B.U.S.T we trust

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-09 Thread John Sheridan
Not to butt in but, I kind of like the name B.U.S.T. It has sort of a maternal ring to it which is suiting to a core set of servers. But then again, I'm also the guy that came up with such weird acronyms as QUADRES for Quick Usable and Dirty Report Execution System. :P Thanks, :) - John

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-09 Thread Stefan Andersson
: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Where are all these remarks of great acclaim? This is the first I've heard about a new protocol being designed without any plan at all. I'm all for a new protocol but there needs to be a design and peer

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-09 Thread Melanie
. /Stefan From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of MW Sent: den 9 juli 2009 02:43 To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Where

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-09 Thread Stefan Andersson
] On Behalf Of Laurent B. Sent: den 9 juli 2009 14:01 To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? +1 for B.U.S.T : in B.U.S.T we trust ! Laurent Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:03:58 +0200 From: drscofi...@xyzzyxyzzy.net

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
Sent: den 7 juli 2009 22:32 To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Hi all, we now have B.U.S.T., which runs the code that was originally in the asset and inventory servers. The asset server is new, from

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Charles Krinke
: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: What is BUST? Also, is there already documentation about the new server shell? We need to document it before retiring the old servers. I'd do it, but I'm completely out of context

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Arthur Valadares
__ From: Justin Clark-Casey jjusti...@googlemail.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:51:29 AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Cristina Videira Lopes

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
From: Melanie mela...@t-data.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 7:28:37 AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Documentation is on it's way. Could we get the voting back on track on the question

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Charles Krinke
From: Melanie mela...@t-data.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 7:48:08 AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get people's opinions on moving forward with deprecating the old servers, not people's opinions on the obvious need

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get people's opinions on moving forward with deprecating the old servers, not people's opinions on the obvious need for documentation

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
B.U.S.T. is Basic Universal Server Technology. The prompt can be changed in the configuration file, though, for those without a sense of humor. I fully expect things to get renamed before 1.0. On the other hand, the server is named OpenSim.Server.exe, no body parts there! As soon as connectors

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Charles Krinke
@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:04:27 AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Melanie wrote: The CB version we have in trunk is another implementation of similar concepts. It has some hooks for some features, which were never

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Charles Krinke
@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 8:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? B.U.S.T. is Basic Universal Server Technology. The prompt can be changed in the configuration file, though, for those without a sense of humor. I

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Nebadon Izumi
. --- On *Wed, 8/7/09, Charles Krinke c...@pacbell.net* wrote: From: Charles Krinke c...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 4:18 PM Well

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Mike Dickson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 14:48 +, Melanie wrote: Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get people's opinions on moving forward with deprecating the old servers, not people's opinions on the obvious need for documentation. Further, if the old

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Charles Krinke
@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:28 AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Mike Dickson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 14:48 +, Melanie wrote: Charles, I said documentation is on it's way. I would like to get people's

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Sacha Magne
a much better product. Charles From: Justin Clark-Casey jjusti...@googlemail.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:26:28 AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Mike Dickson wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-08

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Charles Krinke
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:43:03 AM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? We will be pleased to test BUST without the fears to get Busted... Sacha Le 8 juil. 09 à 18:33, Charles Krinke a écrit : Melanie

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Sean Hennessee
MW wrote: I also would rather a different name than BUST, and also before any protocol changes are done, see full documentation about the plans. How about BOSS? Basic Open Simulator Servers? ~Sean -- Sean Hennessee UC Irvine ... . .- -. / . -. -. . ... ... . .

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Toni Alatalo
On Jul 8, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Sean Hennessee wrote: MW wrote: I also would rather a different name than BUST, and also before any How about BOSS? Basic Open Simulator Servers? nice acronym - perhaps too JBoss-y a name though, and it being also a server framework (the open source j2ee thing)

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
Not bad, not bad at all. Sean Hennessee wrote: MW wrote: I also would rather a different name than BUST, and also before any protocol changes are done, see full documentation about the plans. How about BOSS? Basic Open Simulator Servers? ~Sean

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Melanie wrote: Hi, this has been spoken about extensively, mostly on IRC. It is NOT about _changing_ OGS1. It's about replacing it. fyi, as has been said many times in the past, speaking about something on IRC does _not_ mean that everybody knows about it. Peer review must occur either

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
Hi, Justin Clark-Casey wrote: But the real question was about your statement But changes are planned as we are moving to more sane protocols. source: https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/opensim-dev/2009-July/006992.html Who is the 'we' in this? What are these protocols? Why are they

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread MW
OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 9:08 PM Hi, Justin Clark-Casey wrote: But the real question was about your statement But changes are planned as we are moving to more sane protocols. source: https

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Charles Krinke
, 2009 2:43:17 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? This is not going to happen on the drawing board. It can't. And also it would be taking the second step before the first. First, the existing protocols are converted to services

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
of the replacement protocols before the process of replacing them is began. --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: From: Melanie mela...@t-data.com Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Charles Krinke
From: Melanie mela...@t-data.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:51:39 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Which is precisely what is intended. But the old dinosaur servers are in the way. You can

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Gryc Ueusp
, July 8, 2009 2:43:17 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? This is not going to happen on the drawing board. It can't. And also it would be taking the second step before the first. First, the existing protocols are converted

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Mike Dickson
I'm glad someone besides me said that... Mike On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 22:26 +, Gryc Ueusp wrote: This is what branches are for. Melanie wrote: This can not be reasonably done on the forge.. Melanie ___ Opensim-dev mailing list

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
, 2009 2:51:39 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Which is precisely what is intended. But the old dinosaur servers are in the way. You can rest assured no grids will be harmed in the making of these servers - to paraphrase

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread MW
: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:42 PM It doesn't need to be segregated. This can be done in trunk perfectly well. We have had bad experiences with branches and I believe

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread MW
From: Melanie mela...@t-data.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:51:39 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Which is precisely what is intended. But the old dinosaur servers

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
From: Melanie mela...@t-data.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:51:39 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Which is precisely what is intended. But the old dinosaur servers

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-08 Thread Melanie
Hi, MW wrote: Well my vote is that the new protocol is documented before it goes into trunk. There is no reason that the protocol can't be designed before it is implemented. The specification itself is a moving target that needs commnity input. But anyway if its not documented then my

[Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-07 Thread Melanie
Hi all, we now have B.U.S.T., which runs the code that was originally in the asset and inventory servers. The asset server is new, from scratch, while the inventory server runs a port of the old code, courtesy of Diva, who translated it to in and out connectors. This means that the old

Re: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer?

2009-07-07 Thread Melanie
Of Melanie Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2009 1:32 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: [Opensim-dev] Deprecate OpenSim.Grid.InventoryServer and OpenSim.Grid.AssetServer? Hi all, we now have B.U.S.T., which runs the code that was originally in the asset and inventory servers. The asset