Sunil wrote:
now that 8 character limit is not there, what stops us from having some
meaningful unique names for packages, which are really unique across csw/sunw,
so in future I install just one copy of a package and csw doesn't go around
downloading and installing it but just checks if it mee
Dan Mick wrote:
and for the record, /dev/xsvc is coming. I'm working on it personally now.
BTW, examining the source for aperture, it looks very much like programs
designed to use /dev/xsvc (like the afore-argued-about iasl) would work
fine if /dev/xsvc were a link to /dev/fbs/aperture.
I Ha
Sunil wrote:
now that 8 character limit is not there, what stops us from having some
meaningful unique names for packages, which are really unique across csw/sunw,
so in future I install just one copy of a package and csw doesn't go around
downloading and installing it but just checks if it me
> You might want (made up names for example) VRTSvm and
> EMCvm
> installed if you used both Veritas Volume Manager and
> VMWare.
two disparate packages ending up with same two letter short name is not a good
logic to prefix names with stock ticker symbols.
now that 8 character limit is not ther
Anyone interested in getting winex from tansgaming and helping me do a port?
Shouldn't be too divergent.
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On 7/20/05, Bart Smaalders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They key thing is not to get two packages w/ the same name... and
> using the ticker symbol of the originating company helps prevent that.
> It's just a way of partitioning the name space that lines up well w/
> organizational boundaries...
I
Sunil wrote:
I don't get it. you mean somebody actually wants to install SUNWmysql,
REDHmysql, IMYmysql, YOUmysql at the same time on the same box?
Probably not, but not all package names are unique, especially
when the system was started and SVR4 package names were limited
to 9 characters, so
Sunil wrote:
I don't get it. you mean somebody actually wants to install SUNWmysql,
REDHmysql, IMYmysql, YOUmysql at the same time on the same box?
It's not uncommon to have multiple vendor versions of gcc, perl, named,
and many others installed on the same box. But besides that, seeing
Sunil wrote:
Sunil wrote:
Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is for, it is
is there a rationale behind such names? I mean why
not 'mysql', which is a nice name given by the writer
of the source of pkg? what is this company ticker
concept useful for?
They key thing is not to get two package
> Sunil wrote:
> >>Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is for, it is
> >
> >
> > is there a rationale behind such names? I mean why
> not 'mysql', which is a nice name given by the writer
> of the source of pkg? what is this company ticker
> concept useful for?
>
> They key thing is not to get two
>
>
> --- Bob Palowoda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 15:17, Torrey McMahon
> wrote:
>
> > > This is a real problem when multiple copies of
> the
> > > same interface
> > > get dragged into a single processes.
> > >
> >
> > Interesting as I'm seeing this in the kde
Hi John,
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 19:31, John Plocher wrote:
> Without this ability to manage the evolution of shared components,
> it becomes extremely difficult to reuse them, because asynchronous
> development almost guarantees that a change to the shared component
> will break a consumer, and th
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 20:19, Sunil wrote:
> > Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is for, it is
>
> is there a rationale behind such names? I mean why not 'mysql', which is a
> nice name
> given by the writer of the source of pkg? what is this company ticker concept
> useful for?
there is no cen
This is Tian Siyuan from OPG ERI.
I propose to set up a community specifically for users in China especially
those in Chinese universities. As China is a fastest growing market for Sun,
there should be a lot of opportunites for Sun in general and Opensolaris in
particular. We have OPG in ERI he
Sunil wrote:
Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is for, it is
is there a rationale behind such names? I mean why not 'mysql', which is a nice
name given by the writer of the source of pkg? what is this company ticker
concept useful for?
They key thing is not to get two packages w/ the same
--- Bob Palowoda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 15:17, Torrey McMahon wrote:
> > This is a real problem when multiple copies of the
> > same interface
> > get dragged into a single processes.
> >
>
> Interesting as I'm seeing this in the kde 3.4.1
> from blastwave.
> Mu
> Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is for, it is
is there a rationale behind such names? I mean why not 'mysql', which is a nice
name given by the writer of the source of pkg? what is this company ticker
concept useful for?
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> Interesting as I'm seeing this in the kde 3.4.1 from
> m blastwave.
> Multiple copies of different versions of libstdc++
> compiled
> into some of the daemon process. I wonder if this is
> what is causing
> it to crash.
if 'ldd' shows both .5 and .6 referenced, it will lead to trouble sooner t
As BIll said, iowait as reported by mpstat et al is zero on Solaris 10; iowait
is only a useful metric on a uniprocessor machine, its value is not useful when
there is more than one processor in the system. Since it's been the center of
much confusion, it's been removed.
A better way would be
> Without this ability to manage the evolution of
> shared components,
> it becomes extremely difficult to reuse them, because
> asynchronous
> development almost guarantees that a change to the
> shared component
> will break a consumer, and that multiple consumers
> rarely depend on
> the same ve
> On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 15:17, Torrey McMahon wrote:
> > Which is a bad thing why? (Please don't say space.)
>
> Lets take a real example which was discussed this
> week at Sun,
> the same thing can be applies to other libraries.
>
> libldap is in /usr/lib and is linked to the NSS/NSPR
> librarie
One of the core values of Solaris is that sharable things really
should be shared.
This begs the related questions of
What constraints does this place on the shared component, and
What do you do when the shared thing evolves
Sun has a proactive development methodology that looks
On 7/20/05, Jasse Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2) Some people have limits on their bandwidth usage, or even heaven
> > forbid have to pay for usage based on time or bandwidth. This means
> > duplicate software is not only wasteful, it's costly...
>
> You just updated the old saying from
On Jul 21, 2005, at 12:33 AM, Shawn Walker wrote:
On 7/20/05, Torrey McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
and your sanity as well because it will duplicate many of
packages already part of /usr or /usr/sfw, under /opt/csw.
Which is a bad thing why? (Please don't say space.)
Ok, I'll bi
Hi David -
I'm a tech writer at Sun. I'm going to review this information and get
back to you about adding this procedure to the docs.sun.com documentation.
Thanks,
Ginnie
David J. Orman wrote:
That feedback was excellent, that was extremely helpful. I'm sure it
would help a lot of other pe
> Which is a bad thing why? (Please don't say space.)
if you can prove duplication is a good thing, I will be happy.
anyway, its bad because it:
1. wastes network bandwidth for downloading packages which are already
installed, working, used, tested.
2. wastes time re-installing the packages wh
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 15:17, Torrey McMahon wrote:
> Which is a bad thing why? (Please don't say space.)
Lets take a real example which was discussed this week at Sun,
the same thing can be applies to other libraries.
libldap is in /usr/lib and is linked to the NSS/NSPR libraries
so it can get SS
Dragan Cvetkovic wrote:
But, I still don't understand why the newest CSWsudo installs
something like 15 or 20 additional packages. Previous versions of
CSWsudo were much more reasonable in that sense. This is a bug in my
opinion.
http://www.blastwave.org/bugtrack/
On 7/20/05, Torrey McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >and your sanity as well because it will duplicate many of packages already
> >part of /usr or /usr/sfw, under /opt/csw.
> >
>
> Which is a bad thing why? (Please don't say space.)
Ok, I'll bite ;}
A few arguments against it:
1) Needless
Thanks, Takaaki. I think I'll include these links in the new user group
community we are opening up. I have one user group listed on the links
page, and I'll move that one over, too.
Jim
Takaaki Higuchi wrote:
> Hi, Jim,
>
> Could you add these links ?
>
> NSUG(Nihon Sun User Group)
> http://ww
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 14:04, Chris Ricker wrote:
> creating a mysql-4.1 pkg from scratch. Or what if you want the same
> version that Sun shipped, but just need it compiled with different
> options? That's trivial on Linux distros, not so trivial on Solaris
Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package
Sunil wrote:
`pkg-get -i anjuta`
and that would have been the end of that.
and your sanity as well because it will duplicate many of packages already part
of /usr or /usr/sfw, under /opt/csw.
Which is a bad thing why? (Please don't say space.)
Jasse Jansson wrote:
and to apply the patch:
patch -i patch_file file_to_be_patched
or is there some other tricks that I should be aware of?
I usually use gpatch (included in Solaris) instead of patch, because
patch follows some obscure standard that breaks in subtle ways on some
patches,
when I want to install libbonobo as a dependency for another package, I want
just that and one copy on my system, and let every package that needs it find
it. company ticker appended to package names is one ridiculous idea, when a
simple package name would do just fine. All, pkg-get would check
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Sunil wrote:
`pkg-get -i anjuta`
and that would have been the end of that.
and your sanity as well because it will duplicate many of packages
already part of /usr or /usr/sfw, under /opt/csw.
That was a problem discussed a few days ago. Basically, as I understand
it,
On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:53 PM, Darren J Moffat wrote:
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 13:45, Jasse Jansson wrote:
On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:26 PM, UNIX admin wrote:
1. you patch the source code if necessary
Is there a 'recommended' format for patches in the Solaris
environment?
patches to what
> `pkg-get -i anjuta`
>
> and that would have been the end of that.
and your sanity as well because it will duplicate many of packages already part
of /usr or /usr/sfw, under /opt/csw.
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Glenn Lagasse wrote:
> Now, if you packaged up your custom built software into Solaris
> packages, your maintenance for 100+ machines goes down. You have a
> build machine, that runs whatever version of Solaris that is running
> on the rest of your machines, you build your so
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 13:45, Jasse Jansson wrote:
> On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:26 PM, UNIX admin wrote:
>
> >
> > 1. you patch the source code if necessary
>
> Is there a 'recommended' format for patches in the Solaris environment?
patches to what ?
If you are talking about Solaris the binary produ
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, UNIX admin wrote:
Rich, are you reading this? You're the resident LaTeX expert!
Nope, he is a troff expert, but that only works in combination with vi :)
Dragan
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Dragan Cvetkovic,
To be or not to be is true. G. BooleNo it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer
On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:26 PM, UNIX admin wrote:
1. you patch the source code if necessary
Is there a 'recommended' format for patches in the Solaris environment?
Is this the correct commands to create a patch:
diff -u old_file new_file
and to apply the patch:
patch -i patch_file
> That feedback was excellent, that was extremely
> helpful. I'm sure it
> would help a lot of other people as well, maybe there
> would be a
> documentation resource we could start? I like wikis
> and all, but I'd be
> much more in favor of having something like sun's
> documentation. Or
> may
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, UNIX admin wrote:
> Wow, very nice write-up!
Moin!
> This looks to me like another example of something
> that should be
> wiki'fied so it can evolve into an official,
> group-editable guideline
> doc. For example, I would (predictably ;-) )
> contributed this alternate
>
> Yesterday I spent a few hours at night thinking and
> talking with
> friends about OpenSolaris and more specifically
> trying to answer the
> question of "Why I don't use OpenSolaris on my
> personal laptop?".
I don't know. Why don't you?
I know I can't wait for my laptop to come back from repa
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
>
> As far as I know, there are some Gentoo guys who are trying to do
> something similar. That is also a good approach.
Agree, it is a great approach. Just wanted to point out though, that
there is more than one group doing something similar for (Op
* Approaches like SunFreeware or Blastwave are far far away from
being something like what I'm proposing. It is not the same
league; it is not even the same game. Sorry. :-)
Just out of curiosity, why do you say that (for Blastwave at least)?
I'm not sure I would have phrased
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, David J. Orman wrote:
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:37:21AM -0700, Rich Teer wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why do you say that (for Blastwave at least)?
I would assume due to the specific mentioning of the package
count/size, because blastwave has nowhere near the amount of
I would assume due to the specific mentioning of the package
count/size, because blastwave has nowhere near the amount of packages
as debian (for obvious reasons).
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:37:21AM -0700, Rich Teer wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
>
> > In the meanwhile
That feedback was excellent, that was extremely helpful. I'm sure it
would help a lot of other people as well, maybe there would be a
documentation resource we could start? I like wikis and all, but I'd be
much more in favor of having something like sun's documentation. Or
maybe we could get Su
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
> In the meanwhile, I thought: «I'm sure he would prefer to type
> "apt-get install anjuta" rather than spending all that time trying to
> compile just a dependency of what he really wants to use».
A fine idea. Have you looked at Blastwave.org? Th
Hi all,
===
Yesterday I spent a few hours at night thinking and talking with
friends about OpenSolaris and more specifically trying to answer the
question of "Why I don't use OpenSolaris on my personal laptop?".
I started to think about it because yesterday I saw Chris Hanna - the
ne
On 7/20/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How may I set "verbosemode" to a value != 0 and when will
> we have full sources for multiboot?
I'm pretty sure verbosemode is activated by doing -v to the kernel...
Just like one does -kdv...
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Hi,
when trying to boot SchilliX on this notebook, I get:
>panic: failed to boot kernel/unix
Now unfortunately we don't have all sources for multiboot
so I am unable to even find out how to set the variable
"verbosemode" to get better messages.
How may I set "verbosemode" to a value != 0 and
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote:
It seems that carefully interpreting words is not one of your strengths.
I did not write "the star CLI" but "star", so it is pretty clear that I
was writing about features of the _program_ star and not properties of the
"star" CLI.
Can we please stop
Paul Gress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On my Solaris 10 GA, W2100z (Dual Opteron):
>
> $ /opt/csw/bin/cdrecord -scanbus
> Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01b35 (i386-pc-solaris2.8) Copyright (C)
> 1995-2004 J�rg Schilling
> Unlocked features: ProDVD Clone
> Limited features:
> This copy of cdrecord is
Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I was talking about the star program, I never did mention the star CLI.
>
> You wrote
>
> | The only exception star use with the SUSv2 CLI is that star does not
> | allow you to use 'star cf file args' when
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, UNIX admin wrote:
> ...
>
>
> In this case, 'the clean way' would be:...
Wow, very nice write-up!
This looks to me like another example of something that should be
wiki'fied so it can evolve into an official, group-editable guideline
doc. For example, I would (predictably ;-
Gavin Maltby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 07/14/05 20:11, Joerg Schilling wrote:
>
> > Every second free software packet comes with illegal Makefiles that only
> > "work"
> > usually because they depend on bugs in Sun Make or GNU make. Note that
> > OpenSolaris does not come with Sun Make, I
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, David J. Orman wrote:
>
> ...
> One of the biggest problems I encountered when evaluating Solaris for a large
> datacenter deployment: I could not find a single person/could not find in the
> documentation exactly how I was supposed to go about adding software (such as
> apa
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 14:56 -0500, Eric Boutilier wrote:
> So what I should have said is, Blastwave's GNOME build (set of custom
> patches) is
> the leading community-based build.
Agreed :)
Cheeri,
Calum.
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> Ok, so I've seen all the fussing concerning reading
> documentation. Some people clearly ignore
> documentation, and just come asking for help,
> expecting people to tell them everything step by
> step, and hold their hand the whole way. I'm not
> concerned with pointing those people to docs.sun.
Hi David.
I'm not entirely sure if this will help you or not, but I've been using
Depot[1] and NFS exports of a shared software repository. This makes
maintenance much easier, but requires a very homogeneous platform.
Although with Solaris' binary compatibility this isn't much of a
showstopper tho
Hello,
I am planning to bfu-upgrade my Solaris 10 GA laptop to the latest bits from
OpenSolaris.
But I need to have a fully functional JavaES stack running for demo and dev
purpose.
Does anybody knows if Java ES 3 (2005Q1) install smoothly on OpenSolaris ?
Thanks for your feedback
Seb
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