Re: [osol-discuss] open source process

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For ksh88 there is no legal source and from my understanding there is not even the possibility to redistribute binaries. I am surprised that ksh88 isn't part of the ATT deal (Toolchest origin is separate, perhaps?) I was on the other side surprized to see

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-26 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega
Joerg Schilling wrote: The Debian people don't port to Solaris but to Linux. They even usually apply patches that cause the the software to fail on any other platform because they don't care about other platforms. They only care about Linux because it is the only well supported

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If all all OSS users were enthusiasts, we had more free software. The big problem is that the OSS motion did create a lot of lazy people who just wait for things to happen and who demand for new solutions istead of creating solutions. I of course

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 12:19:29PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: But as ksh88 cannot be included in OpenSolaris, Sun needs to either deviate from other OpenSolaris based distros or convert to ksh93 too. What Alan was saying is that once a

Re: [osol-discuss] Etymology of BFU

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Roger A. Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It occurred to me that, since cpio doesn't overwrite any files (it creates new files and renames them into place), I could do this operation to a running system. I tried it and it worked (for some definition of 'worked'), but the configuration

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first is that all the mechanisms which you rail against are in fact how things work now. Your statement of how things should work matches my understanding of how things ought to work in the *long* term, but we have a lot of short- and medium-term work

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 03:48:52AM -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: Why does it have to be 100% compatible? That is a serious question. What breaks so bad that not having access to the source is considered a viable solution? 100% compatibility

[osol-discuss] Bangalore OpenSolaris User Group

2005-07-26 Thread Venky
Hi, We have just launched an OpenSolaris User Group in Bangalore, India. If you are interested in joining the group, please subscribe to the Google Group here: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/bosug/ Venky. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

[osol-discuss] Re: Solaris Express 7/2005 Released

2005-07-26 Thread Jürgen Keil
Is there a way to specify comment in /etc/driver_aliases? According to the source, # can be used for comments in /etc/driver_aliases http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/usr/src/uts/common/os/modsysfile.c#make_aliases This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was process)

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Within Sun, certain processes are defined by the ARC (Architectural Review Committeee) to help ensure interface stability. Over the past year, I have been working with the Sun ARC chairs to determine how free software, OpenSolaris, and interface

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy Solaris cannot be placed in a position where it determines the contents Roy of OpenSolaris. That is a dead-end exercise of tossing code over the Roy wall whenever Sun sees fit, which is the antithesis of what we are Roy trying to do with the

Re: [osol-discuss] How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can imagine two different proposals coming out of this discussion: A) We should develop an extension to ksh93 that allows it to be used as a Stable replacement for ksh88 in places where backwards compatibility is required (i.e,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris Express 7/2005 Released

2005-07-26 Thread Casper . Dik
Is there a way to specify comment in /etc/driver_aliases? According to the source, # can be used for comments in /etc/driver_aliases But it's unlikely that the # comments will stick with the entries they're meant to comment. Casper ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris Express 7/2005 Released

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jürgen Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to specify comment in /etc/driver_aliases? According to the source, # can be used for comments in /etc/driver_aliases http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/usr/src/uts/common/os/modsysfile.c#make_aliases Mmmm I was asuming it does

Re: [osol-discuss] How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93? Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris Express 7/2005 Released

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to specify comment in /etc/driver_aliases? According to the source, # can be used for comments in /etc/driver_aliases But it's unlikely that the # comments will stick with the entries they're meant to comment.

Re: [osol-discuss] open source process

2005-07-26 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Roy T. Fielding wrote: [ ... ] My participation in OpenSolaris is conditioned on a number of statements by Sun regarding the nature of this project... Could you elaborate, please? I think we should ensure that Sun's current policy towards the the OpenSolaris project still

Re: Re[2]: [osol-discuss] snv_b18 on Acer 4101WLM notebook

2005-07-26 Thread Casper . Dik
It's not my notebook but I think I could try again. Now, how can I make crashdump over the network during boot? but of course as you pointed it could crash before it's possible to core over the net... Turns out that this is a *lot* more complicated with newboot because the kernel doesn't have a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Feature request

2005-07-26 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joerg Schilling wrote: Max Bruning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the space is mapped by the kernel, you can use /dev/allkmem so, if the kernel maps the APCI tables, they should be visible there. (If they're not mappable, then /dev/mem should not give access). If /dev/allmem allows to map

Re: [osol-discuss] quest for ksh

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 04:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am surprised that ksh88 isn't part of the ATT deal As was I. However, I was recently reminded that there's a pdksh which is a ksh88 clone (with a few admitted incompatibilities). It might be less effort to fix those bugs in pdksh than

Re: [osol-discuss] quest for ksh

2005-07-26 Thread ghee teo
Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 04:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am surprised that ksh88 isn't part of the ATT deal As was I. However, I was recently reminded that there's a pdksh which is a ksh88 clone (with a few admitted incompatibilities). It might be less

[osol-discuss] On ksh and compatibility

2005-07-26 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 02:43:02PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: We have either _no_ ksh in OpenSolaris or we have ksh93. Please take time out and think about what you're suggesting. Intentionally breaking compatibility with Solaris has the following implications: Beginning immediately,

Re: [osol-discuss] Internationalization

2005-07-26 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Bruno Filipe Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-26 07:03]: Hello to all I would like to contribute to OpenSolaris Development. Since i'm from Portugal, and make my PhD Research in IP Network Management, working with Sparc Solaris, Linux and Windows, i feel like need to have a I18N in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian (fwd)

2005-07-26 Thread Rod Evans
Laszlo Peter wrote: Hi Rod, Thanks for the detailed response. Of course I agree that it's better to avoid the problem by carefully controlling public interface changes. However more and more software in Solaris comes from external sources ... So we can't break the interfaces we'd shipped

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-26 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy Solaris cannot be placed in a position where it determines the contents Roy of OpenSolaris. That is a dead-end exercise of tossing code over the Roy wall whenever Sun sees fit, which is the

Re: [osol-discuss] On ksh and compatibility

2005-07-26 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 02:43:02PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: We have either _no_ ksh in OpenSolaris or we have ksh93. Please take time out and think about what you're suggesting. Keith -- when Joerg says OpenSolaris here, I think he's

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-26 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: [ ... ] Any discussion where people try to enforce a way that is not possible with freely distributable systems is a useless discussion... Decisions pertaining to the development of the commercial derivative (e.g. Sun Solaris) of open-source

[osol-discuss] Re: open source process

2005-07-26 Thread Bob Palowoda
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:30, Roy T. Fielding wrote: What exactly is blocking us from creating a directory containing ksh93 code Nothing. We should probably import ksh93 as ksh93 sooner rather than later. and making it the current ksh for OpenSolaris? One of the goals for

Re: [osol-discuss] On ksh and compatibility

2005-07-26 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 02:43:02PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: We have either _no_ ksh in OpenSolaris or we have ksh93. Please take time out and

[osol-discuss] Re: open source process

2005-07-26 Thread Bob Palowoda
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:30, Roy T. Fielding wrote: But I went googling for differences and found a pretty significant one: It looks like ksh88 uses dynamic scoping while ksh93 Opps I appologize for the missing data in the last message. To get an idea of the significant numbers

[osol-discuss] Re: On ksh and compatibility

2005-07-26 Thread Helmar Wodtke
Keith -- when Joerg says OpenSolaris here, I think he's actually referring to SchilliX. No. He does not do so. BTW: I'm a little confused about things like to discuss ksh for OpenSolaris: if it's not available as source, take the open source variant. People that need 101% compatibility can

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was process)

2005-07-26 Thread Brian Cameron
Joerg: Within Sun, certain processes are defined by the ARC (Architectural Review Committeee) to help ensure interface stability. Over the past year, I have been working with the Sun ARC chairs to determine how free software, OpenSolaris, and interface stability process will all get along.

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was process)

2005-07-26 Thread John Plocher
Brian Cameron wrote: it will probably take a bit of time for the processes to be worked out. It's probably better than OpenSolaris is working out the process now with community involvement rather than trying to simply dictate what the process should be. Please check out the

Re: [osol-discuss] Samba with Kerberos on OpenSolaris

2005-07-26 Thread Bonnie Corwin
Hi Markus - There are only some bits of Kerberos currently available in the source tarball. The rest is coming soon - I'm hoping in the next build. Kerberos and GSS are both on the list of what's not currently available as source but is coming soon (check out the no_source list on the website).

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 08:43, Joerg Schilling wrote: We have either _no_ ksh in OpenSolaris or we have ksh93. or we have pdksh, which is a lot closer to ksh88. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Getting software into OpenSolaris (was: Interface Stability... (was process))

2005-07-26 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Brian Cameron wrote: Joerg wrote: Brian Cameron wrote: I think there are a number of paths that you can take to get software in OpenSolaris. One method may work better for you: 1) Work to get the application into a SFW package. etc.. [ ... ] OpenSolaris does

[osol-discuss] CAB Discussions [proposal]

2005-07-26 Thread Glynn Foster
Heya, Please check out the OpenSolaris:CAB-discuss discussion list/alias http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=17 where the initial governance proposal is out for comment. I am setting the followup to this email to the cab-discuss alias. So, this is interesting to me,

Re: [osol-discuss] CAB Discussions [proposal]

2005-07-26 Thread Jim Grisanzio
As of last week, the CAB's discuss list is open. I'll update the CAB page to reflect this change. Jim Glynn Foster wrote: Heya, Please check out the OpenSolaris:CAB-discuss discussion list/alias http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=17 where the initial governance

Re: [osol-discuss] CAB Discussions [proposal]

2005-07-26 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Several people have tried to post to CAB-discuss in the last few minutes and it's still boucing. Derek can check the list in the morning. Jim Glynn Foster wrote: Hey, As of last week, the CAB's discuss list is open. I'll update the CAB page to reflect this change. Awesome - thanks

Re: [osol-discuss] CAB Discussions [proposal]

2005-07-26 Thread Derek Cicero
Jim Grisanzio wrote: Several people have tried to post to CAB-discuss in the last few minutes and it's still boucing. Derek can check the list in the morning. Sorry, it should working now. Derek Jim Glynn Foster wrote: Hey, As of last week, the CAB's discuss list is open. I'll update