Re: [osol-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: BTW, if it was true that every /usr/bin utility was going to be replaced by a GNU one, would there have been a half dozen bug fixes to the Solaris version of tar over the past couple of months? Depends on how you look at it we could

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread John Sonnenschein
On 2010-05-10, at 6:15 AM, Dave Johnson wrote: Where's your evidence, troll? Here is the evidence: Evidence 1: - Project cooperation with ksh project withdrawn - GNU commands as replacements are the future -- Forwarded message -- From: John Sonnenschein

[osol-discuss] Slap the troll... / was: Re: This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Roland Mainz
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Dave Johnson dave.johnson.inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Here is the evidence: Evidence 1: - Project cooperation with ksh project withdrawn - GNU commands as replacements are the future -- Forwarded message -- From: John Sonnenschein

[osol-discuss] Apologies to all: I fell in Mr. Dave Johnson's trap twice __/__ Re: Slap the troll... / was: Re: This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Martin Bochnig
*** Apologies to all *** ... that I fell in Mr. Dave Johnson's traps twice. Recently I didn't have much time for OpenSolaris. I did not back-check Dave Johnson's claims sufficiently enough. Sorry! %martin bochnig On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Roland Mainz roland.ma...@nrubsig.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Apologies to all: I fell in Mr. Dave Johnson's trap twice __/__ Re: Slap the troll... / was: Re: This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Roland Mainz roland.ma...@nrubsig.org wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Dave Johnson dave.johnson.inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Bye, Roland P.S.: Wearing my hat as ksh93-integration project lead: No, neither the ksh93-integration project nor

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Alan Coopersmith
John Sonnenschein wrote: You are forging emails for your own political gains and I'm going to have to ask you to stop slandering me and my work *immediately*. It is completely unacceptable behaviour. Given Mr. Johnson's previous posts about Opera dropping support to avoid huge Oracle fees

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Dennis Clarke
John Sonnenschein wrote: You are forging emails for your own political gains and I'm going to have to ask you to stop slandering me and my work *immediately*. It is completely unacceptable behaviour. Given Mr. Johnson's previous posts about Opera dropping support to avoid huge Oracle fees

Re: [osol-discuss] Slap the troll... / was: Re: This is how Oracle treats

2010-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] Nice attempt, unfortunately (for you) the ARC emails are being archived. [...] Thank you. I think you did confirm one point I've been making - that _authoritative_ communication can quickly put rumors to rest. If the folks inside the firewall had a little more freedom to speak as those

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: John Sonnenschein wrote: You are forging emails for your own political gains and I'm going to have to ask you to stop slandering me and my work *immediately*. It is completely unacceptable behaviour. Given

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: John Sonnenschein wrote: You are forging emails for your own political gains and I'm going to have to ask you to stop slandering me and my work *immediately*. It is completely unacceptable behaviour. Given Mr. Johnson's previous posts

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Dennis Clarke
Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: John Sonnenschein wrote: You are forging emails for your own political gains and I'm going to have to ask you to stop slandering me and my work *immediately*. It is completely unacceptable behaviour. Given Mr. Johnson's previous posts

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread E. Mike Durbin
On 05/11/10 09:54 AM, Dennis Clarke wrote: Alan Coopersmithalan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: John Sonnenschein wrote: You are forging emails for your own political gains and I'm going to have to ask you to stop slandering me and my work *immediately*. It is

[osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore joins Nexenta. if needed, can nexenta become the fork?

2010-05-11 Thread Edward Martinez
I was wondering with D'Amore jumping over to Nexenta. if the time comes to take drastic measures, if they are willing and have the resources, can something be organized with nexenta to become the fork? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Martin Bochnig
No need to wait that long. If there is a call for a vote on the matter you have my public input for a formal ban under the terms of the TOU now. If there are some procedural details we can sort that out as required. Quick question -- will a ban do any good?  Is there anyway to verify that

Re: [osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore joins Nexenta. if needed, can nexenta become the fork?

2010-05-11 Thread Brian Cameron
I am getting repetitive motion disorder just deleting all of the emails in this thread. Really, you are hurting me. Isn't there something more worthwhile that we can talk about? Can we create a separate forum for OpenSolaris armchair speculators to blab away at each other without bothering

Re: [osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore joins Nexenta. if needed, can nexenta become the fork?

2010-05-11 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com wrote: I was wondering with  D'Amore jumping over to Nexenta. if the time comes  to take  drastic measures,  if they are willing and have the resources, can something  be organized with nexenta to become the fork? Troll.

[osol-discuss] A question to Edward Screvens, CTO (was Re: [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?)

2010-05-11 Thread I. Szczesniak
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote: Furthermore I must also agree with Richard Hamilton: With (some more) authoritative community interaction and communication from Oracle's side, nobody could ever have believed such a troll in the first place. Not for a

Re: [osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore joins Nexenta. if needed, can nexenta become the fork?

2010-05-11 Thread Edward Martinez
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com wrote: I was wondering with  D'Amore jumping over to Nexenta. if the time comes  to take  drastic measures,  if they are willing and have the resources, can something  be organized with nexenta to become the fork?

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris or Solaris VPN solutions

2010-05-11 Thread russell aspinwall
The problem with specifying VPN solutions is that it allows for SSL and IPSec VPNs. Worked with Checkpoint for over 14 years I do not remember their ever being a Solaris VPN client but they do offer SSL VPN. Cisco do support Solaris SPARC on one of their VPN client applications, however the

Re: [osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore joins Nexenta. if needed, can nexenta become the fork?

2010-05-11 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Concerns are OK, but not the drastic moves you proposed... And combining those, is not a good thing... Matthias You (Edward Martinez) wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com wrote: I was wondering with  D'Amore jumping over to Nexenta. if

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle, OpenSolaris, and the community model? [was: Oracle charging for ODF plugin]

2010-05-11 Thread Bayard Bell
Am 23 Apr 2010 um 04:04 schrieb Richard L. Hamilton: Surely sufficient people exist that would pay for low-end support (sunsolve+patches only, or sunsolve+access to a repo with bug fixes, for OpenSolaris) that otherwise might simply do without, or go elsewhere. Staying profitable is

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris or Solaris VPN solutions

2010-05-11 Thread Calum Benson
On 11 May 2010, at 17:27, russell aspinwall wrote: Cisco do support Solaris SPARC on one of their VPN client applications, however the latest Cisco AnyConnect VPN client is Windows only and is a SSL VPN technology. FWIW, there are Mac and Linux versions of the AnyConnect client as well.

Re: [osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore joins Nexenta. if needed, can nexenta become the fork?

2010-05-11 Thread Edward Martinez
Concerns are OK, but not the drastic moves you proposed... And combining those, is not a good thing... Matthias ward Martinez) wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Edward Martinez mindbende...@live.com wrote: I was wondering with  D'Amore jumping over to Nexenta. if

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris or Solaris VPN solutions

2010-05-11 Thread Francois Laagel
They did indeed, back in the days of Solaris 2.6. Their client is Sparc only though. The thing is you don't necessarily need client software to implement a VPN using Cisco gear. I myself, am currently implementing a very small scale VPN (L2TP over IPsec, LAC initiated dialin remote access) and

Re: [osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore joins Nexenta. if needed, can nexenta become the fork?

2010-05-11 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
can nexenta become the fork? Just my opinion: 1. It cannot. Nexenta is mostly Ubuntu with OpenSolaris kernel. Nexenta engineers do not contribute (much) to OpenSolaris codebase. They are Oracle (Sun) engineers who do. 2. The fork is not needed. OpenSolaris is actively developed at Oracle and

Re: [osol-discuss] Problem: Very long delay before login prompt (GDM splash)

2010-05-11 Thread Robin Axelsson
I forgot to say: I don't know what face browser means. If it is the feature that enables the possibility of choosing users at the login and/or poweroff/restart the the answer to this question is no. - Robin. On 2010-05-07 18:34, Brian Cameron wrote: Robin: According to the GDM debug output

Re: [osol-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Ghee Teo
Where is the email threads to substantiate your claims? -Ghee On 10/05/2010 11:50, Dave Johnson wrote: This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene? David -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Johnsondave.johnson.inqu...@googlemail.com Date: Mon,

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread John Plocher
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Dave Johnson dave.johnson.inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene? While I have not been following this soap opera in excruciating detail, my reading of the ARC discussions was that the ksh-93

[osol-discuss] Any Plans for another OpenSolaris Summit ?

2010-05-11 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
Subject says it all. -- Giovanni ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene?

2010-05-11 Thread Peter Tribble
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Dave Johnson dave.johnson.inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: This is how Oracle treats open communities and projects. Will OGB intervene? Given the evidence we've been given on these matters by those who are directly involved, it would seem that the most likely

Re: [osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore joins Nexenta. if needed, can nexenta become the fork?

2010-05-11 Thread Calum Benson
On 11 May 2010, at 17:55, Edward Martinez wrote: I'm sorry, with these kind if news i get concern and once i get concern lot of ideas start flowing in my head on how i can help out. Concerned about what? That somebody who was actively working on OpenSolaris is now going to be...

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris or Solaris VPN solutions

2010-05-11 Thread Calum Benson
On 11 May 2010, at 18:46, Francois Laagel wrote: There's also vpnc (http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/) I haven't tried it but it seems that development/maintenance of that project stopped several years ago. It works just fine any time I've used it, as an alternative to Cisco's

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris or Solaris VPN solutions

2010-05-11 Thread Albert Lee
On Tue, 11 May 2010 23:55:09 +0100, Calum Benson calum.ben...@oracle.com wrote: On 11 May 2010, at 18:46, Francois Laagel wrote: There's also vpnc (http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/) I haven't tried it but it seems that development/maintenance of that project stopped several years