Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Thanks. Oracle also provides a VirtualBox Solaris 10 10/09 Appliance Image in Open Virtual Format (OVF): https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS- CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?Produ ctref=virtualbox-s10u8-x86-...@cds-cds_smi This is a standard default

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Marko
Hopefully they will launch new Opensolaris when their web page is ready. Yesterday I got this newsletter from Oracle: * We're Getting Closer... We're getting closer to the date when the Systems Admin and Developer Community of the

[osol-discuss] dbt-2 on opensolaris (b134)

2010-07-01 Thread Florian Manschwetus
http://osdldbt.sourceforge.net/ I'd like to do some tpc-c like test with mysql in a opensolaris zone, for some research. But it looks to me, that building against ips mysql, would ne sun studio compiler, but with sun studio compiler, the configure fails. Maybe some one here, have experiences in

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Gary
Whatever. Anyway, what has really irritated me to no end is calling it Oracle Solaris everywhere. You bought the company that created it; you didn't invent it. I don't go around calling it IBM AIX, DEC Ultrix, HP Tru64, or SGI IRIX. And I didn't call it Sun Solaris, it was just Solaris.

Re: [osol-discuss] Register: Solaris, OpenSolaris, and the Oracle wall of secrecy

2010-07-01 Thread Calum Benson
On 1 Jul 2010, at 04:11, Mark Kaiman wrote: This is the kind of crap they pull at Apple. Everything is a big secret. Keep your customers in the dark. Oracle management must have gone to the Steve Jobs school of how to treat your customers with contempt. Will there ever be another

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Alex Sims
I've stopped holding my breath. The question of when the next major release of OpenSolaris would come out was asked at an Sun-Oracle Briefing in Adelaide today. The answer from Angus MacDonald, Chief Technology Officer, ANZ Systems was Quarter 4. However he didn't say which year :-) -- This

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Gary
At least there was hard info from them finally. But considering Oracle's fiscal year just started, I'd guess Q4 means another 9 months, given that Q4 for the last fiscal year has ended without a release. If it is that long, they don't need to release it, nobody will be around to care. --

Re: [osol-discuss] Register: Solaris, OpenSolaris, and the Oracle wall of secrecy

2010-07-01 Thread Ken Gunderson
Well, Jobs WAS the official photographer at Ellison's wedding -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Ken Gunderson
Sadly, I'm beginning to suspect that's precisely Larry's objective. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Petros Koutoupis
krenos, The problem with that newsletter is that Oracle's intentions with OpenSolaris are still unclear. When I read it I get this out of it: and OpenSolaris.com will stick around for a little longer and but soon all new content will appear on the Oracle Technology Network only. What does

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Distinction between .com and .org.. .;-) .com is for the binary distribution, .org is for the Open Source Project and Community effort... So, seeing, that the binary distro pages will be moved onto ordinary standard Oracle infrastructure should also give a hint as to the value of that part...

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread ken mays
Hello, This was also asked a few months ago, in which 'a person' from Oracle stated around Sept 2010 - near the timeframe of the Solaris 10u9 release. Other rumors speculate Nov 2010. This was really what was known as Oracle Solaris 11 - moreso than just the release of OSOL 2010.X. What many

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Paul Gress
On 07/ 1/10 10:24 AM, ken mays wrote: Hello, This was also asked a few months ago, in which 'a person' from Oracle stated around Sept 2010 - near the timeframe of the Solaris 10u9 release. Other rumors speculate Nov 2010. This was really what was known as Oracle Solaris 11 - moreso than just

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Svein Skogen
On 01.07.2010 16:21, Matthias Pfützner wrote: Distinction between .com and .org.. .;-) .com is for the binary distribution, .org is for the Open Source Project and Community effort... So, seeing, that the binary distro pages will be moved onto ordinary standard Oracle infrastructure

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Svein Skogen) wrote: What's your interpretation of 2010.03 becoming 2010.H1, then basically becoming 2010, with good prospects of turning 201? instead? I'm as clueless as you w.r.t. this... ;-( //Svein Matthias -- Matthias Pfützner| mailto:pfu...@germany | Man macht

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle has Linux video codecs, so codecs for OSOL?

2010-07-01 Thread Gaiseric Vandal
Thanks for the tip. Sometimes I want to do a clean install of an OS but without loosing the data on existing partitions. I am hoping that Sun eventually releases Solaris 11- with the benefits of OpenSolaris (improved desktop, updated GCC, virtualization etc) but with the command line

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Paul Gress
On 07/ 1/10 11:39 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: You (Svein Skogen) wrote: What's your interpretation of 2010.03 becoming 2010.H1, then basically becoming 2010, with good prospects of turning 201? instead? I'm as clueless as you w.r.t. this... ;-( My interpretation is: Proposed

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Ken Gunderson
Reading between the lines here seems to indicate that the long overdue 2009.06 successor will not be forthcoming, at least for those who do not have a commercial relationship with Oracle? (Good luck with that, btw, unless you've tens of millions to spend because I know folks with millions

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Hillel Lubman
Ken Mays wrote: What many people know, but maybe not common knowledge, is that Oracle provides the kernel releases - but the larger scale wrk of providing the distros is up to the community. So it means that dev repository will be decommissioned or given up to the community to manage? So far

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Ken Mays
IPS decommissioning? No. You should read Dave Miner's blog on how to 'roll-your-own' OpenSolaris distro: http://blogs.sun.com/dminer/entry/constructing_an_opensolaris_distro You also have the legacy distros to review and learn from: http://www.genunix.org/dist/ So, its like wanting good

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Hillel Lubman
Ken Mays said: So, its like wanting good applesauce but not willing to peel any apples. We have the kernel as well as many of the packages available to us. We also have many toolsets and Live CDs from several distribution providers. I didn't say that everyone should sit and wait. I said,

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Gary
People want a binary release of OpenSolaris which would be tatamount to FreeBSD and OpenBSD, not Linux where you get a kernel only and told to build your own. There are many advantages to having a complete operating system rather than a roll-your-own distro. In the future, if I wish to run

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Ken Gunderson
Except that a 2010.03, and then a 2010.H1 were promised. The later specifically by Oracle. To be clear, Oracle's new and updated guidance is that these promises will not be honored? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Gary
Maybe I'd better purchase my $20 Solaris 10 set now, before they decide to rescind sales because they won't get a support contract to go along with my purchase. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Ken Mays
People want a binary release of OpenSolaris which would be tatamount to FreeBSD and OpenBSD, not Linux where you get a kernel only and told to build your own. There are many advantages to having a complete operating system rather than a roll-your-own distro. True, as most users will want

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Ken Gunderson
Except that that doesn't give you an entitlement. You still need to buy a support contract. Which for all practical purposes also requires Sun/Oracle branded hardware. Insidious, isn't it? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Ken Gunderson wrote: To be clear, Oracle's new and updated guidance is that these promises will not be honored? Oracle has made no statements of any such kind. Ken Mays and other community members here are providing their opinions and speculation, and not speaking for Oracle, and anyone who

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Hillel Lubman
Alan Coopersmith wrote: (I and other employees who are aware of the details have asked management if there's some sort of statement we can make, but so far there is nothing we can pass on. It sucks, and we know it.) Is the reason for such secrecy also a secret, or it is something commonly

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Ken Gunderson
Thank you sincerely for clarifying that effectively everyone outside of Oracle with an interest in this somehow came to same deluded conclusion that there was going to be a 2010.H1 release. Must have been something in the water.. Guess I need to drink more beer. Safer %-P In other

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Paul Gress
On 07/ 1/10 03:46 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: Except that a 2010.03, and then a 2010.H1 were promised. The later specifically by Oracle. To be clear, Oracle's new and updated guidance is that these promises will not be honored? I don't recall seeing any Oracle promises. I believe they were

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Paul Gress
On 07/ 1/10 04:14 PM, Hillel Lubman wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote: (I and other employees who are aware of the details have asked management if there's some sort of statement we can make, but so far there is nothing we can pass on. It sucks, and we know it.) Is the reason for such

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Ken Gunderson wrote: Thank you sincerely for clarifying that effectively everyone outside of Oracle with an interest in this somehow came to same deluded conclusion that there was going to be a 2010.H1 release. I didn't say that - clearly there were plans and schedules previously discussed

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Hillel Lubman
Oracle Policy That's self obvious. I was asking what is that policy exactly. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Rick Ramsey
Alan, I might just make a bumper sticker out of that Rick On 7/1/2010 3:03 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Ken Gunderson wrote: Thank you sincerely for clarifying that effectively everyone outside of Oracle with an interest in this somehow came to same deluded conclusion that there was

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Ken Gunderson
That would be my take. Actions are loud. Listen to what Oracle is NOT saying and what they ARE doing. Doesn't take a rocket scientist -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Erik Trimble
On 7/1/2010 2:08 PM, Hillel Lubman wrote: Oracle Policy That's self obvious. I was asking what is that policy exactly. Generally: No comment on anything in the future. To paraphrase Larry:Why would I want to tell you about a product you can't get now, and don't know

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Paul Gress
On 07/ 1/10 05:08 PM, Hillel Lubman wrote: Oracle Policy That's self obvious. I was asking what is that policy exactly. Taken from this document, Social Media Participation At Oracle: http://www.sun.com/communities/guidelines.jsp Don't Discuss Future Offerings As a general

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Ken Gunderson wrote: Yeah, but you got to admit that this one surely set a new slippage record. Maybe the Guiness Book would be interested? Seriously. Would at least be amusing and the marketroid types say there's no such thing as bad press Not even close:

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: In other news, FreeBSD-8.1RC2 was released yesterday. RC1 has been working great on test my test bed but I have been delaying final migration commitments to give 2009.06's successor a chance. I would love to hear how this works out. I'm

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread betchou betchou
I really don't care about delay. It has still existed, will exist... To say : There will be a release every 6 month. is not that much precise. I don't really care if we have one two or three month to wait. But I really care about letting people without any news. Just to say a tiny : Due to the

[osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-01 Thread Andre Lue
Is the storage simulator no longer offered for download? http://www.oracle.com/webapps/dialogue/dlgpage.jsp?p_ext=Yp_dlg_id=8588618src=6870265Act=7 Used to be available as a vmware and virtual box image. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

[osol-discuss] Matching search terms regarding.

2010-07-01 Thread Sandeep Mallela
I'm relatively new to OpenGrok. I was wondering, if there is an option to reduce the content of the search results displayed. Ex: If a pattern match is found, OpenGrok displays the entire line along with the matched keywords. If there a way to shorten it, so that I could limit the length of

Re: [osol-discuss] Matching search terms regarding.

2010-07-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Sandeep Mallela wrote: I'm relatively new to OpenGrok. I was wondering, if there is an option to reduce the content of the search results displayed. Ex: If a pattern match is found, OpenGrok displays the entire line along with the matched keywords. If there a way to shorten it, so that I

Re: [osol-discuss] HSDPA modem

2010-07-01 Thread Paul Harper
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+wwan/ The link above should help you. Also try google the name of your modem +opensolaris. Huawei modems work fairly well. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread ken mays
--- On Thu, 7/1/10, betchou betchou betchoubetc...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't care about delay. It has still existed, will exist... To say : There will be a release every 6 month. is not that much precise. I don't really care if we have one two or three month to wait. But I really care

[osol-discuss] printer install

2010-07-01 Thread chuck bowers
Finally got Open Solaris to work, but am batting zero on printing. Cant activate Epson CX9400. All greek to me. Would appreciate somebody giving me detailed instructions (beginner language) on how to install. chuck -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread me
Well I don't think that policy works in this instance since: 1. Most if not all features are shown through the ON portal. 2. This is supposedly a respin of b134 so everyone knows whats coming. 3. If they did not want to have anyone know about futures releases they would shutdown their Open

Re: [osol-discuss] printer install

2010-07-01 Thread Norm Jacobs
Assuming that you are running current bits and CUPS is your active print service, It should work. It looks like your printer is supported by the version of gutenprint that is in OpenSolaris. You should be able to use the print manager to create a queue for it. -Norm On 07/ 1/10 09:28

[osol-discuss] not able to install open solaris.

2010-07-01 Thread abhishek
Dear All, I have tested open solaris and ZFS ISCSI on vmware. Not i am planning to install it on physial machine. During the open solaris installation my Server restarted at 5%. Now next time when I reboot and run the installation wizard, it does not allow me to format the disk and install

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-01 Thread Erik Trimble
On 7/1/2010 9:04 PM, me wrote: Well I don't think that policy works in this instance since: 1. Most if not all features are shown through the ON portal. 2. This is supposedly a respin of b134 so everyone knows whats coming. 3. If they did not want to have anyone know about futures releases they

Re: [osol-discuss] not able to install open solaris.

2010-07-01 Thread Erik Trimble
On 7/1/2010 9:13 PM, abhishek wrote: Dear All, I have tested open solaris and ZFS ISCSI on vmware. Not i am planning to install it on physial machine. During the open solaris installation my Server restarted at 5%. Now next time when I reboot and run the installation wizard, it does not