Re: [osol-discuss] Where too now?

2010-08-14 Thread Ceri Davies
in a way i'm glad that we are not being cut off in a cold way sounds like we are getting invited to participate: I don't think so. It's an internal memo, remember? quote: We will be asking all of you to participate in this ndeavor, bringing with us the benefit of previous Sun Platinum

Re: [osol-discuss] Where too now?

2010-08-14 Thread Edward Martinez
in a way i'm glad that we are not being cut off in a cold way sounds like we are getting invited to participate: I don't think so. It's an internal memo, remember? quote: We will be asking all of you to participate in this ndeavor, bringing with us the benefit of previous Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Paul Kölle
Am 13.08.2010 23:25, schrieb Erik Trimble: I think someone really, really, really needs to explain to upper management these things: (1) Having an open source base / development process is pretty much a no-lose situation, with only an up side. The likelihood that other OSes will be able to

Re: [osol-discuss] Where too now?

2010-08-14 Thread john kroll
I don't think the IPS repos will disappear soon. In that memo it was stated they are going to try to get a migration path from Opensolaris to Solaris 11 Express. So until that bridge is built, I believe they will keep the current repo going. So now Solaris 11 keeps the tm opensolaris

[osol-discuss] Idea for Oracle: Solaris11 and Support for Desktop in combination!

2010-08-14 Thread Michael Widmann
Hi Form my personal opinion Oracle should make only one statement that could resolve and blow away the fear from users / customers contributors, illumnos project members and so on: We - Oracle decide that our effort should be to build the strongest and best Server OS with Solaris11. That's

Re: [osol-discuss] Idea for Oracle: Solaris11 and Support for Desktop in combination!

2010-08-14 Thread Uros Nedic
I would like to add my thoughts regarding new situation. It would be very nice if ORACLE continue to release Express releases on a six-month basis for Desktop users, and when they think it is proper time to release Solaris.Next then to relase it. It would be very nice if ORACLE continue to

Re: [osol-discuss] So, What happens to opensolaris.org?

2010-08-14 Thread Sean M. Brannon
Get over it guys. OpenSolaris is dead, as is anything Sun/Oracle subsidized related to it. All this ranting and raving and hair pulling is a waste of energy. Wouldn't this energy be better spent either on IllumOS, Nexenta, or some OS? Archive whatever you want of this place, and move on. --

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Sean M. Brannon
I didn't think Oracle had what it takes to really be about open source, this proves that. There is no good will in this plan to say the very least about it. In fact this seems to facilitate a culture of predation that Oracle is fairly infamous for. Oh, they are about open source. About

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Anonymous User
I agreed with a lot of what Erik said. I also think that I was hasty in my comment about open source Oracle. They have done it, they just haven't bitten off something quite as large as Sun. That alone makes it different. There's no way to create easy comparisons because of that too. There was

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Anonymous User
Hey it's not like they announced they are getting rid of Sparc x86 support for an 'Itanium centric CPU strategy along with renaming it TruSol64 for exclusive use inside their upcoming line of NEBS-only hardware... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gress My view on this situation is Oracle now killed Java.  I believe there will be many Java developers who will stop developing for fear of uncertainty from Oracle,

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kölle If that is true, Illumos will be ahead of the pack in no time. Bright future I'd say. This mostly depends on what Sol11Express will look like. If they make future

Re: [osol-discuss] Idea for Oracle: Solaris11 and Support for Desktop in combination!

2010-08-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Michael Widmann michael.widm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Form my personal opinion Oracle should make only one statement that could resolve and blow away the fear from users / customers contributors, illumnos project members and so on: We - Oracle decide that our effort should be to build the

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Dave Koelmeyer
Maybe on another planet it will be suitably licensed and featured. Also, doesn't look like the Illumos project lead agrees with your asessment: http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2010/08/hand-may-be-forced.html So, by their actions here, Oracle may be forcing Illumos to fork, which was always a

[osol-discuss] A stupid question probably - forgive me

2010-08-14 Thread Peter Hawkins
Where exactly can I get SNV build 134 from. I've tried looking and can't find anything. Can someone point me to the right place. Apologies if I'm asking a daft question here. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread me
Give it up Ned!! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] A stupid question probably - forgive me

2010-08-14 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Where exactly can I get SNV build 134 from. I've tried looking and can't find anything. Can someone point me to the right place. Apologies if I'm asking a daft question here. Not to worry, here's the link: http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/ You most probably want

Re: [osol-discuss] A stupid question probably - forgive me

2010-08-14 Thread Jürgen Keil
Where exactly can I get SNV build 134 from. http://www.genunix.org/ http://www.genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-dev-134-x86.iso -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Orvar Korvar
All source code will be available after binary update of Solaris 11 Express have been released. Then Illumos will have a chance to catch up and synchronize. As FreeBSD. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] A stupid question probably - forgive me

2010-08-14 Thread Peter Hawkins
Thank you very much for the quick reply. Much appreciated. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-14 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Edward Ned Harvey) wrote: Was java anything other than a money pit for sun to dump cash into? Did anybody ever pay for it? I recently read the jdk license terms. It says anybody can use it for any reason other than nuclear facilites. So maybe Sun was making money off the LHC. ;-)

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I don't think anyone will like me for saying this, but for those handful of us outside of Sun who have been following OpenSolaris since day one, do we really expect a different outcome? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Idea for Oracle: Solaris11 and Support for Desktop in combination!

2010-08-14 Thread Brian Cameron
When I first heard that Oracle was planning to purchase Sun, my initial reaction was excitement. If anybody has the character to go head-to-head with the likes of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs in the Desktop market, I cannot imagine anyone other than Mr. Ellison. But, my delusional initial

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-14 Thread Erik Trimble
On 8/14/2010 7:27 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: You (Edward Ned Harvey) wrote: Was java anything other than a money pit for sun to dump cash into? Did anybody ever pay for it? I recently read the jdk license terms. It says anybody can use it for any reason other than nuclear facilites.

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread alan pae
I don't think anyone will like me for saying this, but for those handful of us outside of Sun who have been following OpenSolaris since day one, do we really expect a different outcome? Not really. Solaris Next was to come from the OpenSolaris code base. I like the reply where the whole

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 14 Aug 2010, at 20:30, Erast wrote: There are at least 2 companies that I know who are committed to contribute money and equipment on periodic basis. Stay tuned.. much more is coming to Illumos. Indeed, Illumos has a bright future ahead of it. To quote Garrett's blog post: Illumos

[osol-discuss] -Graphiccard Support- avaible soon?

2010-08-14 Thread MOKE
Hellö My Question is: Are there any projects for NVIDIA Graphic Cards? I am using my Leptop Lenovo W510 with Nvidia FX880M but O-Sol doesent support this GraphicCard now.With Vesa drivers it works but it was not nice ;-( So are there any solutions? Or should I

Re: [osol-discuss] -Graphiccard Support- avaible soon?

2010-08-14 Thread Matthias Pfützner
The drivers should either be in OpenSolaris already or are available from nvidia's homepage, if I'm not mistaken... Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: MOKE iyev...@gmail.com An: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Gesendet: 14.8.'10, 23:22 Hellö My Question is: Are there any

Re: [osol-discuss] -Graphiccard Support- avaible soon?

2010-08-14 Thread John Martin
On 08/14/10 05:22 PM, MOKE wrote: Hellö My Question is: Are there any projects for NVIDIA Graphic Cards? I am using my Leptop Lenovo W510 with Nvidia FX880M but O-Sol doesent support this GraphicCard now.With Vesa drivers it works but it was not nice ;-( As long as Lenovo uses device id 0xa3c

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Edward Martinez
I am now looking at how to replace a number of OpenSolaris boxes with something else well...I wanted to continue using opensolaris kernel for my units. i decided nexenta Core would be my best choice, becuase they are sponsering illumos and a number of Solaris kenel devs have joined them.

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Alasdair Lumsden There are at least 2 companies that I know who are committed to contribute money and equipment on periodic basis. Stay tuned.. much more is coming to

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of me Give it up Ned!! Give what up? A one-line messsage without any context ... in a high volume mailing list... I don't know what you're talking about...

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Jonathan Edwards
erik wrote: The unfortunate thing here is that most of the value in an Operating System is attributable to ADOPTION RATES. That is, the wider the OS is used, the more revenue potential there is. Now, the per-instance revenue potential tends to drop off, but the overall revenue ramps up very

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-14 Thread Paul Gress
On 08/14/10 08:37 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kölle If that is true, Illumos will be ahead of the pack in no time. Bright future I'd say. This mostly depends on what

Re: [osol-discuss] Where too now?

2010-08-14 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
I don't think the IPS repos will disappear soon.nbsp; In that memo it was stated they are going to try to get a migration path from Opensolaris to Solaris 11 Express.nbsp; So until that bridge is built, I believe they will keep the current repo going. Paul i reread and i