Re: [osol-discuss] Who should we report bugs to?

2010-09-13 Thread Paul Harper
I look forward to giving OpenIndiana a try. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey sh...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of russell Given that computer software is just a series of mathematical operations expressed in a form that can be interpreted

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Joerg Schilling [mailto:joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de] But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now perverted by the big companies against the original

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license

2010-09-13 Thread Daniel Kjar
Yeah, I know My problem is I need something that will just sit and run and when I need to update it wont break the sun-rays. I like ubuntu because potentially the lts release should do that. I may end up with centos on there since it looks like a modern ubuntu may not work as well as I

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey sh...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Joerg Schilling [mailto:joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de] But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Joerg Schilling) wrote: In Great Britain, the Copyright law was introduced in 1710, in Germany the Urgeberrecht was introduced in 1837. Nice typo... ;-) It's the Urheberrecht, not the Urgeberrecht. But, it might have been a good idea to create a copyleft instead of the copykeep...

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: If I own a company, or even shares of a company, that pays salaries benefits to a team of engineers and pays for all their tools, and all my engineers have agreed to intellectual property agreements with the company, then I want to know

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread John Martin
On 09/13/10 08:22 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now perverted by the big companies against the original

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!

2010-09-13 Thread Hillel Lubman
Alasdair Lumsden wrote: Upgrades work perfectly :-) It's just a case of adding the OpenIndiana repo, setting --non-sticky on opensolaris.org, and doing an image-update. That's great. I see there was a whole discussion regarding the name of the new distribution:

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Martin john.m.mar...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 08:22 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license

2010-09-13 Thread Gary
Have you checked in on the Sun Ray users mailing list? http://wiki.sun-rays.org/index.php/Sun_Ray_Community Their most recent OS howto appears to be for Debian... http://wiki.sun-rays.org/index.php/How_To_Section -Gary ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Casper . Dik
There's also a public good argument. When you patent something, yes, you get a temporary monopoly -- but the tradeoff is you have to publicly reveal it. In the absence of patents, more technological advances would be treated as trade secrets and kept out of the public eye. I do think there

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!

2010-09-13 Thread Orvar Korvar
Great news! :) I will surely run OpenIndiana. I would like to try something else than b134. I hope you make clear instructions how to upgrade from b134. Preferably copy paste commands. Looking forward to the announcement tomorrow! :) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Brian Utterback
On 09/13/10 13:21, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: John Martin john.m.mar...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 08:22 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
casper@sun.com wrote: Also, the law should be changed to disallow patent trolls: if you don't ship or plan to ship a product using your patent, then clearly you're not suffering when someone else is using a similar invention. This is against the original intention for patents: Patents

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Casper . Dik
casper@sun.com wrote: Also, the law should be changed to disallow patent trolls: if you don't ship or plan to ship a product using your patent, then clearly you're not suffering when someone else is using a similar invention. This is against the original intention for patents: Patents

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Brian Utterback
On 09/13/10 08:22, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now perverted by the big companies against the original

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
casper@sun.com wrote: casper@sun.com wrote: Also, the law should be changed to disallow patent trolls: if you don't ship or plan to ship a product using your patent, then clearly you're not suffering when someone else is using a similar invention. This is against the original

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 13:21, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: John Martin john.m.mar...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 08:22 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 08:22, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Schilling I have no problems if patents do what they have been designed for. Allow to claim patent rights for personal inventors to prevent companies from using the

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
I certainly hope the terms of the settlement are released. Keeping it secret would conspire to cast FUD on all other distributions incorporating ZFS or considering it; most of which would be targeted at folks well below the Fortune 500, which means those not wealthy enough to