Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-05-31 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On May 31, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Glynn Foster wrote: 1.4 Involvement There is a strong intention for this to be a community grass roots project, with open contribution. We hope for this project to be consensus driven, though ultimately the project leads will need to dictate

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-05-31 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On May 31, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Brian Gupta wrote: If this is an OpenSolaris activity, it will obey the Group voting procedures documented in the constitution. There is no such thing as a sole arbiter at OpenSolaris, period. Check out the following text CNET article: http://tinyurl.com/ys7hb2

[osol-discuss] constitutional limitations

2007-03-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 6, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: The Charter gives the Community and the OGB the power to establish processes and procedures that govern every aspect of development other than assignment of copyright. The Constitution in no way limits the OGB's ability to exercise this

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Mozilla DTrace project

2007-03-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:54 PM, John Rice wrote: We discussed this with Alfred and whilst he had thought of your suggestion, wanted to opt for a mozilla dtrace project hosted on OpenSolaris and a general Opensolaris one hosted on developer.mozilla. This will host the LiveConnect and A11Y work.

[osol-discuss] Re: constitutional limitations

2007-03-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 7, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:55:02PM -0800, Roy T. Fielding wrote: Article VII delegates all such work to Community Groups. Article VIII Article VII delegates nothing. Nowhere does it assign powers to any Community Group or require

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-06 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 5, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: I also think this is a good sign that the relationship between Communities and Projects is not well understood by all participants. There are times it hasn't been at all clear to me, at least. Perhaps getting an endorsing community needs to

[osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-06 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:55:37AM +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: But there's absolutely no consistency with that. There's no guidelines or best practices of how to apply the membership. If one community's interpretation of the process is

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-06 Thread Roy T. Fielding
The first day that the CAB met, almost two years ago, we talked about all of the things that OpenSolaris needed to do to become successful. Central to that discussion were three principles: 1) everyone needs to work on a common version control system 2) everyone needs to use a common issue

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Sep 7, 2005, at 4:12 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: I find strident and over-assertive language distressing whichever party is using it. Irrelevant discussion on an open source project mailing list is a cancer. It must be cut out to prevent those of us with high email loads from unsubscribing.

Re: [osol-discuss] Laptop community.

2005-08-09 Thread Roy T . Fielding
On Aug 9, 2005, at 1:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After doing extensive work on making Solaris of the x86/x64 variety more mobile and trying to make it the laptop of choice withing Sun (not there yet, but in much better shape than some time ago), I'd like to propose the

Re: [osol-discuss] Binary model taxonomies: Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Aug 8, 2005, at 11:26 AM, John Plocher wrote: As a result, Sun has developed a binary model (and here I do not mean proprietary) that puts a premium on allowing things to maintain compatibility - at a binary interface/API level - over time and over release cycles. Er, no offense, but

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-30 Thread Roy T . Fielding
At this point, it is clear you guys were not paying attention to the contents of the thread. The disagreement is over the community having the ability to work on a branch that is not stable. All of the Solaris releases would be on a stable branch that has the exact same interface stability

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 29, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Al Hopper wrote: That's what I thought originally, but a lot of the posts I have seen are emphasizing the business decisions made by an ARC rather than the technical review. Where do you see this? When a choice is made to work on a major branch or not. I don't

[osol-discuss] Re: wifi (was open source process)

2005-07-28 Thread Roy T . Fielding
On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Mike Kupfer wrote: What about things like wifi drivers? I'm not an expert in the area, but I'm told that these drivers often contain a binary-only component (even in Linux). It's apparently the result of US (FCC) regulatory requirements on the wifi hardware.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-28 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 28, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Bryan Cantrill wrote: For an operating system, the constraints of existing interfaces are a _technical_ problem, _not_ just a business problem. That is absolute rubbish. A technical problem is something for which a technical solution can be created to resolve the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-28 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 25, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 03:48:52AM -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: Why does it have to be 100% compatible? That is a serious question. What breaks so bad that not having access to the source is considered a viable solution? 100

[osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-27 Thread Roy T. Fielding
for collaborative open source development. Non-collaborative development is not considered a viable option given the competition and relative success of collaborative open source projects. I am hoping that the development process team has kept that in mind. Cheers, Roy T. Fielding

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-25 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 25, 2005, at 2:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're shipping ksh93, which is open source. Solaris includes ksh88 (g I believe), which is not. We'd love to just upgrade, but they're not 100% compatible. We can certainly ship ksh 93 as /bin/ksh93. It would be nice if we could

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-25 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 25, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: What Alan was saying is that once a definitive list of differences exists, it should be possible to implement a clean set of extensions to ksh93 for backward compatibility; that implementation could then be used by Solaris and included with

[osol-discuss] open source process

2005-07-25 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 25, 2005, at 10:43 AM, John Beck wrote: The first is that all the mechanisms which you rail against are in fact how things work now. Yes. I intend to change that. Your statement of how things should work matches my understanding of how things ought to work in the *long* term, but we

Re: [osol-discuss] [New Community Proposal] - starting an OpenSolaris JDS Desktop Community

2005-07-04 Thread Roy T . Fielding
I'd like to lead a desktop community focused on JDS. There's absolutely New Community Proposal focused on JDS ... gets my vote! +1 Roy ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org