Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey sh...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of russell Given that computer software is just a series of mathematical operations expressed in a form that can be interpreted

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Joerg Schilling [mailto:joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de] But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now perverted by the big companies against the original

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey sh...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Joerg Schilling [mailto:joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de] But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Joerg Schilling) wrote: In Great Britain, the Copyright law was introduced in 1710, in Germany the Urgeberrecht was introduced in 1837. Nice typo... ;-) It's the Urheberrecht, not the Urgeberrecht. But, it might have been a good idea to create a copyleft instead of the copykeep...

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: If I own a company, or even shares of a company, that pays salaries benefits to a team of engineers and pays for all their tools, and all my engineers have agreed to intellectual property agreements with the company, then I want to know

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread John Martin
On 09/13/10 08:22 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now perverted by the big companies against the original

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Martin john.m.mar...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 08:22 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Casper . Dik
There's also a public good argument. When you patent something, yes, you get a temporary monopoly -- but the tradeoff is you have to publicly reveal it. In the absence of patents, more technological advances would be treated as trade secrets and kept out of the public eye. I do think there

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Brian Utterback
On 09/13/10 13:21, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: John Martin john.m.mar...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 08:22 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
casper@sun.com wrote: Also, the law should be changed to disallow patent trolls: if you don't ship or plan to ship a product using your patent, then clearly you're not suffering when someone else is using a similar invention. This is against the original intention for patents: Patents

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Casper . Dik
casper@sun.com wrote: Also, the law should be changed to disallow patent trolls: if you don't ship or plan to ship a product using your patent, then clearly you're not suffering when someone else is using a similar invention. This is against the original intention for patents: Patents

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Brian Utterback
On 09/13/10 08:22, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now perverted by the big companies against the original

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
casper@sun.com wrote: casper@sun.com wrote: Also, the law should be changed to disallow patent trolls: if you don't ship or plan to ship a product using your patent, then clearly you're not suffering when someone else is using a similar invention. This is against the original

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 13:21, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: John Martin john.m.mar...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 08:22 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 09/13/10 08:22, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: But in any case, patents are anachronistic. Patents have been created to protect inventions made by single personss against big companies 200 years ago. Patents are now

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Schilling I have no problems if patents do what they have been designed for. Allow to claim patent rights for personal inventors to prevent companies from using the

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-13 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
I certainly hope the terms of the settlement are released. Keeping it secret would conspire to cast FUD on all other distributions incorporating ZFS or considering it; most of which would be targeted at folks well below the Fortune 500, which means those not wealthy enough to

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of russell Given that computer software is just a series of mathematical operations expressed in a form that can be interpreted by a processor, I find the whole concept of

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of No Real Name This would only matter if they were still worth doing development for. It's not a wise investment of time at this point, and probably never will be again. This

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-11 Thread russell
It is not clear if Sun provided enough information to invalidate all the patents that ZFS was threatened with. PJ @ Groklaw does not appear to have updated the status of the ZFS dispute since 2008. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-11 Thread No Real Name
This would only matter if they were still worth doing development for. It's not a wise investment of time at this point, and probably never will be again. This matters to dimwit suit wearing fracktards, but to everyone else it's pretty irrelevant in the bigger picture. -- This message posted

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Seems like Oracle Solaris users are safe, not sure if other companies using ZFS in their products. re also included. I'm not a lawyer:-) http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9I4EAR80 .htm I certainly hope the terms of the settlement are released. Keeping it secret would conspire

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-10 Thread russell
Hi, Given that computer software is just a series of mathematical operations expressed in a form that can be interpreted by a processor, I find the whole concept of software patents less than original. Would it not be in the best interests of those individuals and organisations using ZFS to

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-10 Thread Octave Orgeron
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 12:08:53 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS Hi, Given that computer software is just a series of mathematical operations expressed in a form that can be interpreted by a processor, I find

Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-10 Thread Edward Martinez
I certainly hope the terms of the settlement are released. Keeping it secret would conspire to cast FUD on all other distributions incorporating ZFS or considering it; most of which would be targeted at folks well below the Fortune 500, which means those not wealthy enough to qualify as

[osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS

2010-09-09 Thread Edward Martinez
Seems like Oracle Solaris users are safe, not sure if other companies using ZFS in their products. are also included. I'm not a lawyer:-) http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9I4EAR80.htm -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___