Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-31 Thread Darren J Moffat
Peter Buckingham wrote: Hi All, Honeycomb is a unique archival storage product developed within Sun. It is built upon a clustered system and provides strong reliability guarantees for it's data storage (Write-Once, Read Many) and metadata. We (the development team) would like to start to

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-31 Thread Peter Buckingham
Darren J Moffat wrote: What about source code ? I think for this to be an OpenSolaris project I'd want to see source. OpenSolaris isn't a general Sun site for all stuff. I understand that opinion. It's pretty clear that if we get this approved we won't be putting up source code tomorrow,

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-31 Thread Darren J Moffat
Peter Buckingham wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: What about source code ? I think for this to be an OpenSolaris project I'd want to see source. OpenSolaris isn't a general Sun site for all stuff. I understand that opinion. It's pretty clear that if we get this approved we won't be putting

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-31 Thread Stephen Lau
Peter Buckingham wrote: This is coming, but it has not yet been decided. Let me give some reasons to be clearer about our intentions. 1. We want to let people know about Honeycomb because we think it's cool (and that it's real rather than just some marketing bs). This can

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-31 Thread Peter Buckingham
Stephen Lau wrote: I think the Appliances community is a perfectly suited place for your current discussion of Honeycomb... I've already made a proposal there. Just trying to make sure that everyone feels I'm addressing their concerns ;-) peter

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-31 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-31 02:53]: Peter Buckingham wrote: Hi All, Honeycomb is a unique archival storage product developed within Sun. It is built upon a clustered system and provides strong reliability guarantees for it's data storage (Write-Once, Read Many) and

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Alan Burlison
Peter Buckingham wrote: Let me give some more details about Honeycomb. It is a Solaris appliance. We have modified solaris to run as a ramdisk image, we have our own clustering enviroment running on our hardware (typically a 16 way cluster), we have a self-healing software stack running on

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Peter Buckingham
Hi Alan (and Steve) Alan Burlison wrote: I agree with Steve about this - unless you are going to release some code as open source, the project doesn't belong on opensolaris.org. A SDK and API isn't sufficient. Hell, we have released the Solaris APIs for as long as Solaris has existed, in

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread John Plocher
Peter Buckingham wrote: Finally, I'm not trying to pressure anyone into giving a +1. We have a complicated system in Honeycomb, we believe that we have useful things to offer the OpenSolaris community in the way we have embedded Solaris into a distributed storage cluster. This proposal

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Peter Buckingham
Hi John, you seem to have summed up the situation reasonably well. I have a few comments in-line below. John Plocher wrote: You seem to be lacking a few important things, though: A vision/roadmap for an open community that is more than a Sun Honeycomb Product Enthusiast Group, and

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Peter Buckingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-30 10:28]: I guess the decision the Open Solaris community needs to make is if it is about building developer communities for Solaris-based appliances, or if there is a more appropriate place to do this... I don't have an opinion on the

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen Lau
Hi Peter, It seems like a lot of what you want to accomplish could be done within the realms of the 'Appliances'[1] community. If the discussion leads to a point where you have code to release, or a more committed open development model - then it would be easy to then open a Honeycomb

[osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-29 Thread Peter Buckingham
Hi All, Honeycomb is a unique archival storage product developed within Sun. It is built upon a clustered system and provides strong reliability guarantees for it's data storage (Write-Once, Read Many) and metadata. We (the development team) would like to start to provide information about

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-29 Thread Stephen Lau
Peter Buckingham wrote: Hi All, Honeycomb is a unique archival storage product developed within Sun. It is built upon a clustered system and provides strong reliability guarantees for it's data storage (Write-Once, Read Many) and metadata. We (the development team) would like to start to

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-29 Thread Richard Lowe
Peter Buckingham wrote: Hi All, Honeycomb is a unique archival storage product developed within Sun. It is built upon a clustered system and provides strong reliability guarantees for it's data storage (Write-Once, Read Many) and metadata. We (the development team) would like to start to

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-29 Thread Peter Buckingham
Stephen Lau wrote: Are you intending to provide any source, or do any open development? The plan is to provide the SDK initially so that we establish the apis that we use for use in other projects (eg. http://www.fedora.info) Once we have some agreement on that we will look at opening up

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-29 Thread Peter Buckingham
Richard Lowe wrote: I'd like to see more details first. Sources? continued development and work in the community? I'm not seeing much in the above (though maybe that's me being dense) that seems opensolaris related. We are neither a hosting service, nor a marketing organization... I

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal -- Honeycomb Information and dev tools

2007-01-29 Thread Stephen Lau
On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 11:37:55AM -0800, Peter Buckingham wrote: Stephen Lau wrote: Are you intending to provide any source, or do any open development? The plan is to provide the SDK initially so that we establish the apis that we use for use in other projects (eg. http://www.fedora.info)