Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-20 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Brian Cameron wrote: The JDS team is working to provide the CBE and the Sun patches needed to build the desktop, so is it similarly straightforward for someone to build the Xserver for Solaris? Does the Xserver team apply patches, use nondefault build options, or otherwise modify the Xserver

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-20 Thread Calum Benson
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 14:56 -0500, Eric Boutilier wrote: So what I should have said is, Blastwave's GNOME build (set of custom patches) is the leading community-based build. Agreed :) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gavin Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/14/05 20:11, Joerg Schilling wrote: Every second free software packet comes with illegal Makefiles that only work usually because they depend on bugs in Sun Make or GNU make. Note that OpenSolaris does not come with Sun Make, I use smake for

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Paul Gress [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my Solaris 10 GA, W2100z (Dual Opteron): $ /opt/csw/bin/cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01b35 (i386-pc-solaris2.8) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J�rg Schilling Unlocked features: ProDVD Clone Limited features: This copy of cdrecord is licensed

[osol-discuss] Problems booting on P-II 233 Notebook.

2005-07-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hi, when trying to boot SchilliX on this notebook, I get: panic: failed to boot kernel/unix Now unfortunately we don't have all sources for multiboot so I am unable to even find out how to set the variable verbosemode to get better messages. How may I set verbosemode to a value != 0 and when

Re: [osol-discuss] Problems booting on P-II 233 Notebook.

2005-07-20 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/20/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How may I set verbosemode to a value != 0 and when will we have full sources for multiboot? I'm pretty sure verbosemode is activated by doing -v to the kernel... Just like one does -kdv... -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst

[osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega
Hi all, === Yesterday I spent a few hours at night thinking and talking with friends about OpenSolaris and more specifically trying to answer the question of Why I don't use OpenSolaris on my personal laptop?. I started to think about it because yesterday I saw Chris Hanna - the new

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote: In the meanwhile, I thought: «I'm sure he would prefer to type apt-get install anjuta rather than spending all that time trying to compile just a dependency of what he really wants to use». A fine idea. Have you looked at Blastwave.org? Their

Re: [osol-discuss] Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, David J. Orman wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:37:21AM -0700, Rich Teer wrote: Just out of curiosity, why do you say that (for Blastwave at least)? I would assume due to the specific mentioning of the package count/size, because blastwave has nowhere near the amount of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 13:45, Jasse Jansson wrote: On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:26 PM, UNIX admin wrote: 1. you patch the source code if necessary Is there a 'recommended' format for patches in the Solaris environment? patches to what ? If you are talking about Solaris the binary product then

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Chris Ricker
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Glenn Lagasse wrote: Now, if you packaged up your custom built software into Solaris packages, your maintenance for 100+ machines goes down. You have a build machine, that runs whatever version of Solaris that is running on the rest of your machines, you build your

[osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Sunil
`pkg-get -i anjuta` and that would have been the end of that. and your sanity as well because it will duplicate many of packages already part of /usr or /usr/sfw, under /opt/csw. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:53 PM, Darren J Moffat wrote: On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 13:45, Jasse Jansson wrote: On Jul 20, 2005, at 10:26 PM, UNIX admin wrote: 1. you patch the source code if necessary Is there a 'recommended' format for patches in the Solaris environment? patches to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Jasse Jansson wrote: and to apply the patch: patch -i patch_file file_to_be_patched or is there some other tricks that I should be aware of? I usually use gpatch (included in Solaris) instead of patch, because patch follows some obscure standard that breaks in subtle ways on some

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Torrey McMahon
Sunil wrote: `pkg-get -i anjuta` and that would have been the end of that. and your sanity as well because it will duplicate many of packages already part of /usr or /usr/sfw, under /opt/csw. Which is a bad thing why? (Please don't say space.)

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 14:04, Chris Ricker wrote: creating a mysql-4.1 pkg from scratch. Or what if you want the same version that Sun shipped, but just need it compiled with different options? That's trivial on Linux distros, not so trivial on Solaris Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is

Re: [osol-discuss] Links Page

2005-07-20 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Thanks, Takaaki. I think I'll include these links in the new user group community we are opening up. I have one user group listed on the links page, and I'll move that one over, too. Jim Takaaki Higuchi wrote: Hi, Jim, Could you add these links ? NSUG(Nihon Sun User Group)

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Torrey McMahon
Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: But, I still don't understand why the newest CSWsudo installs something like 15 or 20 additional packages. Previous versions of CSWsudo were much more reasonable in that sense. This is a bug in my opinion. http://www.blastwave.org/bugtrack/

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Sunil
Which is a bad thing why? (Please don't say space.) if you can prove duplication is a good thing, I will be happy. anyway, its bad because it: 1. wastes network bandwidth for downloading packages which are already installed, working, used, tested. 2. wastes time re-installing the packages

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Virginia Wray
Hi David - I'm a tech writer at Sun. I'm going to review this information and get back to you about adding this procedure to the docs.sun.com documentation. Thanks, Ginnie David J. Orman wrote: That feedback was excellent, that was extremely helpful. I'm sure it would help a lot of other

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Jul 21, 2005, at 12:33 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 7/20/05, Torrey McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and your sanity as well because it will duplicate many of packages already part of /usr or /usr/sfw, under /opt/csw. Which is a bad thing why? (Please don't say space.) Ok, I'll

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/20/05, Jasse Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Some people have limits on their bandwidth usage, or even heaven forbid have to pay for usage based on time or bandwidth. This means duplicate software is not only wasteful, it's costly... You just updated the old saying from

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread John Plocher
One of the core values of Solaris is that sharable things really should be shared. This begs the related questions of What constraints does this place on the shared component, and What do you do when the shared thing evolves Sun has a proactive development methodology that looks

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Sunil
Without this ability to manage the evolution of shared components, it becomes extremely difficult to reuse them, because asynchronous development almost guarantees that a change to the shared component will break a consumer, and that multiple consumers rarely depend on the same version.

[osol-discuss] Re: Possible iowait bug?

2005-07-20 Thread Richard J. McDougall
As BIll said, iowait as reported by mpstat et al is zero on Solaris 10; iowait is only a useful metric on a uniprocessor machine, its value is not useful when there is more than one processor in the system. Since it's been the center of much confusion, it's been removed. A better way would be

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Sunil
Interesting as I'm seeing this in the kde 3.4.1 from m blastwave. Multiple copies of different versions of libstdc++ compiled into some of the daemon process. I wonder if this is what is causing it to crash. if 'ldd' shows both .5 and .6 referenced, it will lead to trouble sooner than

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Sunil
Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is for, it is is there a rationale behind such names? I mean why not 'mysql', which is a nice name given by the writer of the source of pkg? what is this company ticker concept useful for? This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Bart Smaalders
Sunil wrote: Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is for, it is is there a rationale behind such names? I mean why not 'mysql', which is a nice name given by the writer of the source of pkg? what is this company ticker concept useful for? They key thing is not to get two packages w/ the same

[osol-discuss] new community for Chinese users

2005-07-20 Thread Tian Siyuan
This is Tian Siyuan from OPG ERI. I propose to set up a community specifically for users in China especially those in Chinese universities. As China is a fastest growing market for Sun, there should be a lot of opportunites for Sun in general and Opensolaris in particular. We have OPG in ERI

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 20:19, Sunil wrote: Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is for, it is is there a rationale behind such names? I mean why not 'mysql', which is a nice name given by the writer of the source of pkg? what is this company ticker concept useful for? there is no central

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Laszlo Peter
Hi John, On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 19:31, John Plocher wrote: Without this ability to manage the evolution of shared components, it becomes extremely difficult to reuse them, because asynchronous development almost guarantees that a change to the shared component will break a consumer, and that

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Why I do think OpenSolaris ought to work with Debian

2005-07-20 Thread Bob Palowoda
--- Bob Palowoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 15:17, Torrey McMahon wrote: This is a real problem when multiple copies of the same interface get dragged into a single processes. Interesting as I'm seeing this in the kde 3.4.1 from blastwave.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Dan Mick
Sunil wrote: Sunil wrote: Thats what the SUNWmysqlS package is for, it is is there a rationale behind such names? I mean why not 'mysql', which is a nice name given by the writer of the source of pkg? what is this company ticker concept useful for? They key thing is not to get two

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread James Lick
Sunil wrote: I don't get it. you mean somebody actually wants to install SUNWmysql, REDHmysql, IMYmysql, YOUmysql at the same time on the same box? It's not uncommon to have multiple vendor versions of gcc, perl, named, and many others installed on the same box. But besides that, seeing

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Sunil wrote: I don't get it. you mean somebody actually wants to install SUNWmysql, REDHmysql, IMYmysql, YOUmysql at the same time on the same box? Probably not, but not all package names are unique, especially when the system was started and SVR4 package names were limited to 9 characters,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-20 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/20/05, Bart Smaalders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They key thing is not to get two packages w/ the same name... and using the ticker symbol of the originating company helps prevent that. It's just a way of partitioning the name space that lines up well w/ organizational boundaries... Is

[osol-discuss] winex

2005-07-20 Thread Joel Schuster
Anyone interested in getting winex from tansgaming and helping me do a port? Shouldn't be too divergent. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS pe

2005-07-20 Thread Sunil
You might want (made up names for example) VRTSvm and EMCvm installed if you used both Veritas Volume Manager and VMWare. two disparate packages ending up with same two letter short name is not a good logic to prefix names with stock ticker symbols. now that 8 character limit is not there,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS pe

2005-07-20 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Sunil wrote: now that 8 character limit is not there, what stops us from having some meaningful unique names for packages, which are really unique across csw/sunw, so in future I install just one copy of a package and csw doesn't go around downloading and installing it but just checks if it

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] ... on OpenSolaris is an oxymoron

2005-07-20 Thread Dan Mick
Dan Mick wrote: and for the record, /dev/xsvc is coming. I'm working on it personally now. BTW, examining the source for aperture, it looks very much like programs designed to use /dev/xsvc (like the afore-argued-about iasl) would work fine if /dev/xsvc were a link to /dev/fbs/aperture. I

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS pe

2005-07-20 Thread Dan Mick
Sunil wrote: now that 8 character limit is not there, what stops us from having some meaningful unique names for packages, which are really unique across csw/sunw, so in future I install just one copy of a package and csw doesn't go around downloading and installing it but just checks if it