Re: [osol-discuss] Database Server Community

2005-07-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Radu, Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 1:28:08 PM, you wrote: RP Hi! RP I think a community that would cover the database installation, configuration and performance tuning on Solaris would be necessary. -1 I don't think it's needed - and performance issues could be discussed on general or

[osol-discuss] Re: Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-28 Thread UNIX admin
Why? That's not that important. You can not know now what other distros will be good for. It could be that there is a distro you can put in your coffee-cup and that coffee-cup communicates with the computer you are in front of - so probably there is not enough space for ksh in such a distro

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-07-28 Thread TJ Yang
Tian Siyuan wrote: The original poster is back. My idea is to have a place for Chinese users, mainly for education (and then marketing). If we other communities are better suitable for specific topics posted to this one, we can redirect them. What's the next step? There's

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Samba with Kerberos on OpenSolaris

2005-07-28 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 09:34, Markus Moeller wrote: If I use cc -I/usr/share/src/uts/common -D_KERNEL I find all included header files. What is the difference/issue if I use -D_KERNEL ? The header file you found is really only for the kernel-space gssapi code. it's not likely to be useful

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was process)

2005-07-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mike Kupfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg But currently, I don't believe that community driven integration Joerg is possible soon as there already is an aproval for star Joerg integration but asking about a realization did not end up in a Joerg useful discussion. Yes, and I apologize for

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: User Groups Community Opened

2005-07-28 Thread Lisa Week
Alan DuBoff wrote: On Wednesday 27 July 2005 04:49 pm, Jim Grisanzio wrote: Hello ... we formed a user group community here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/ snip This is excellent. A group is forming in Broomfield and setup a spot on google groups. Let's get

[osol-discuss] Re: Laptop Power Management? GUI or Shell based?

2005-07-28 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Is Solaris 10 considered Solaris Nevada (11) build 14 and later ? Thanx This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] wifi (was open source process)

2005-07-28 Thread Mike Kupfer
Roy == Roy T Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Roy Any code that is not open source is dead code that needs to be Roy replaced, and the way to do that is by creating communities with Roy live code that can be worked on in public. The only code in Roy OpenSolaris is open source code. What

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was process)

2005-07-28 Thread Mike Kupfer
Joerg I did hear from Dworking and Frank that the idea that started 2.5 Joerg years ago has been ap[proved in spring. Joerg I don't know what to do now I'm working to figure out who can act as a sponsor. Dworkin was a natural fit, but alas, he is leaving Sun soon. Once we've found a

[osol-discuss] Re: wifi (was open source process)

2005-07-28 Thread Roy T . Fielding
On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Mike Kupfer wrote: What about things like wifi drivers? I'm not an expert in the area, but I'm told that these drivers often contain a binary-only component (even in Linux). It's apparently the result of US (FCC) regulatory requirements on the wifi hardware.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Laptop Power Management? GUI or Shell based?

2005-07-28 Thread Casper . Dik
Is Solaris 10 considered Solaris Nevada (11) build 14 and later ? Thanx No. Only current Solaris Express is. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: User Groups Community Opened

2005-07-28 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 28 July 2005 09:37 am, Lisa Week wrote: Thanks for the update and yes it is possible for us to join. As you may have already seen from her email, Ginnie Wray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is going to be setting this up for the (Colorado) Front Range OpenSolaris User Group. Yes, I saw.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Laptop Power Management? GUI or Shell based?

2005-07-28 Thread Casper . Dik
1. Sound: on a notebook I don't really care anyway; but it didn't work on my Fedora Core 4, eithe r; What type of sound? Tried oss? 2. Scroll bar on the touch pad: this is very important in web/file browsing; it works with FC4; WHat type? If Synaptics, it'll soon work. 3. Wi-Fi: never

Re: [osol-discuss] Database Server Community

2005-07-28 Thread Radu Parvu
Hi! Sorry to ask are you a maintainer or a user expressing own opinion? TY Radu --- Robert Milkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Radu, Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 1:28:08 PM, you wrote: RP Hi! RP I think a community that would cover the database installation, configuration and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: User Groups Community Opened

2005-07-28 Thread Virginia Wray
Alan DuBoff wrote: On Thursday 28 July 2005 09:37 am, Lisa Week wrote: Thanks for the update and yes it is possible for us to join. As you may have already seen from her email, Ginnie Wray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is going to be setting this up for the (Colorado) Front Range OpenSolaris User

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-28 Thread Bryan Cantrill
Which is exactly how things had been working in practise inside Sun. That's what I thought originally, but a lot of the posts I have seen are emphasizing the business decisions made by an ARC rather than the technical review. The only real difference with OpenSolaris ARCs should be that

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-28 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 14:38, Roy T. Fielding wrote: That's what I thought originally, but a lot of the posts I have seen are emphasizing the business decisions made by an ARC rather than the technical review. ARC is all about the technical architecture and almost always doesn't get involved

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-28 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/28/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: POSIX documentations (man pages) are written in a way that allows you to implement all features of the program from only reading the apropriate man page. I'm not certain how that point is relevant. All we know in this case is that ksh88 may

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-28 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 28, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Bryan Cantrill wrote: For an operating system, the constraints of existing interfaces are a _technical_ problem, _not_ just a business problem. That is absolute rubbish. A technical problem is something for which a technical solution can be created to resolve the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: wifi (was open source process)

2005-07-28 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/28/05, Tao Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/05, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that's a very practical view. There is a *lot* of hardware out there that cannot be used without some binary component. Not just wifi, but many others. Quite frankly, it

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: wifi (was open source process)

2005-07-28 Thread James C. McPherson
Tao Chen wrote: ... I am not familiar with the Wi-Fi issue. How is it handled by Redhat/SuSe/Debian right now, assuming it's not part of the Linux kernel? ipw2200.sourceforge.net et al have what some people refer to as a HAL (hardware abstraction layer) for the FCC-mandated non-changeable

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-28 Thread John Beck
Roy ... a lot of the posts I have seen are emphasizing the business Roy decisions made by an ARC rather than the technical review. Bryan For an operating system, the constraints of existing interfaces Bryan are a _technical_ problem, _not_ just a business problem. Roy That is absolute rubbish...

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-28 Thread Mike Kupfer
Roy == Roy T Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Roy On Jul 28, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Bryan Cantrill wrote: For an operating system, the constraints of existing interfaces are a _technical_ problem, _not_ just a business problem. Roy A technical problem is something for which a technical solution

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-28 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 06:08:12PM -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: The latter constraint of requiring a commit be complete is just as true for collaborative open source projects as it is for Solaris. Most open source projects are distributed on several orders of magnitude more platforms than

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-07-28 Thread Derek Cicero
Takaaki Higuchi wrote: Hi, This was already discussed at [EMAIL PROTECTED] And decided to have both. But there seem some troubles on Chinese languages as described the URL below. http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1206tstart=0 Sorry for the delay in following up on this. I

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: wifi (was open source process)

2005-07-28 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 06:12:55PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote: The point is if a driver exists that can be integrated, but has a required binary only component due to legal or other restrictions and that is the only way that hardware will work, then to me and many others it is perfectly

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: User Groups Community Opened

2005-07-28 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 28 July 2005 13:24, Virginia Wray wrote: And I still have that same little cantankerous system that you helped me install Sun needs to get you a new laptop! but more importantly, we're up on the Open Solaris community page!

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-28 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/28/05, John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [stop, stop, you are bringing out the verbose monster in me!] snip You are advocating starting off the OpenSolaris community on a track that immediately abandons this core value. I disagree (obviously), and instead advocate keeping the core

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-28 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 25, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 03:48:52AM -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: Why does it have to be 100% compatible? That is a serious question. What breaks so bad that not having access to the source is considered a viable solution? 100%

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-28 Thread Brian Cameron
John: I hope that: One of those core values will be backwards compatibility is a constraint, not a goal. This implies that it is seen as a feature (and not a bug) that there is no Major version development branch following the current production branch. I very much agree