[mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of Carlo Wood
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:53 PM
To: malachi
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com; Anders Arnholm
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Blocking viewers.
This is not a bad idea at all, except that LL is here for
the money
This is not a bad idea at all, except that LL is here for
the money so they will refuse it. But opensim might use the idea.
You just have to adjust a bit ;).
Instead of having people pay for a server 24/7, you could
allow them to pay for a certain period of the day (many
would find 2 hours per da
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:30:56 -0400, Anders Arnholm
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 12:02:46AM +0200, Altair Sythos Memo wrote:
>> imho *ALL* non TPV listed viewers should be blacklisted
>> is safer, for both resident and developers
>
> It's also safer to put all humans in a straight jacket
On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 12:02:46AM +0200, Altair Sythos Memo wrote:
> imho *ALL* non TPV listed viewers should be blacklisted
> is safer, for both resident and developers
It's also safer to put all humans in a straight jacket, that would also
probaly solve most current enviroment problems. The
"> The gist of this seeming to be that allowing a Third Party client the
> ability to use LLKDU.dll means that client is no longer TPV compliant."
Interestingly enough, the Emergence viewer (published just before Phoenix)
offers to install LLKDU.dll (i think it does so by downloading the official
The Emerald login screen is still under the control of the same people
right now. These people are recently banned from SL and more than likely
holding personal vendettas. Of course it needs to be blocked theres a
genuine threat there. Maybe not in the main code of the viewer but
definately
ANY Secondlife Viewer could be used for the exact same type of DDoS
attack. Even more so the 2.0 viewers with Media on a Prim.
The DDoS was from a webpage with hidden images being called from
another site. Not from the clients being used as a Bot network. In
this case it just happened to be the
Oh for crying out loud...Emerald DID cause a DDoS attack, which is a
CRIME. It also collected information about users that it shouldn't have.
Those are facts that LL is aware of. It's a dangerous piece of software
and has no right to connect to the grid now. I used to use Emerald, and
not man
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From: AltairSythosMemo
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 6:38 PM
To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Blocking viewers.
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:21:26 +0100
Tom Grimshaw wrote:
> The lab DO NOT have any right to determine what
On 9/8/2010 16:39, Tom Grimshaw wrote:
>Dear Linden Lab,
>
> It's absolutely none of your business what software I choose to run on
> my PC.
>
> Blocking emerald is a step of pure arrogance - and ignorance - on Linden
> Lab's behalf - it's not having an adverse effect on your servers, in
> fa
From: angel_of_crim...@hotmail.com
To: t...@streamsense.net
Subject: RE: [opensource-dev] Blocking viewers.
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:46:57 -0400
Actually, There WAS a danger. Emerald devs were openly collecting personal
information. There were actively using the program to perform
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:21:26 +0100
Tom Grimshaw wrote:
> The lab DO NOT have any right to determine what software they will
> allow to connect to their SERVICE.
are you joking? is THEIR service, on THEIR servers, done with THEIR
software.
> Linden Lab have blocked Emerald due to a POLITIC
so the software "Emerald" has no flaws that effect second life in any way
you say?
attempted DDoSing a website from the client
exposing user data to the world(then hiding it in encryption that is sent
only to the creators)
those are goodies that everyone wants to be a part of i take it.
i m
> Okay, let's just outline this properly.
>
> The lab DO NOT have any right to determine what software they will allow
> to connect to their SERVICE. The only thing they DO have a right to do
> is to determine which TCP connections they want to accept and which UDP
> packets they want to accept.
In regards to Phoenix vs Emerald. The ONLY things Phoenix removed
from the client that made them TPV compliant was the EMKDU.dll file
(as well as removing the ability to use the LLKDU.dll)
The gist of this seeming to be that allowing a Third Party client the
ability to use LLKDU.dll means that cl
On 08/09/2010 23:09, Mike Dickson wrote:
> Oh geez. Do we really have to go through this again. You can run
> whatever you like on your PC. And Linden Lab has every right to
> determine what software they will allow to connect to their SERVICE.
Okay, let's just outline this properly.
The lab
I agree and Phoenix seems to be coming only very well to and all the
negativity behind emerald seems to be gone in the atmosphere of
phoenix. I am pretty excited to see where it heads! Maybe this thread
can be saved and put back on topic :D
Tom I know your upset about them banning Emerald but it w
On 09/08/2010 05:42 PM, Aleric Inglewood wrote:
> I'm not happy to say it, but I can't help myself...
>
> I told you so
>
> When LL announced the TPV list, it was already clear to me
> that they want to control what viewer can connect and that
> this was the beginning of whitelist. Soon every vie
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:03:15 +0100
Tom Grimshaw wrote:
> My issue is that none of these reasons involve the way the viewer
> interacts with the LL Servers in any way. They made the decision
> based on the conduct of a few idiots (and there are always idiots in
> open source projects) - and not b
Dear Tom Grimshaw,
You're right, LL has no business telling you what software you can install
and run on your own computer, they definitely shouldn't try to censor OSS,
and they would look pretty despicable if they were trying to do that. Good
thing they aren't doing that at all here isn't it? Wh
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:59:41 -0400
Marc Adored wrote:
> Emerald is a perfect example of that. Everyone is upset and mad at
> linden for banning Emerald but no body cared what the developers of
> Emerald were doing before it effected them directly. I wont go into a
> flame war over one of my favori
On 08/09/2010 22:58, Celierra Darling wrote:
> there's reasons why LL doesn't trust Emerald to connect to their servers.
My issue is that none of these reasons involve the way the viewer
interacts with the LL Servers in any way. They made the decision based
on the conduct of a few idiots (and
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:39:00 +0100
Tom Grimshaw wrote:
> It's absolutely none of your business what software I choose to run
> on my PC.
> Blocking emerald is a step of pure arrogance - and ignorance - on
> Linden Lab's behalf - it's not having an adverse effect on your
> servers, in fact THE ONL
Sorry but it is their service and they do have that right. They can
block you personally if they wanted to because they are providing you
with a service and they don't have to. Most people forget that. They
don't actually need any reason at all to stop providing you with
service. If they chose to b
You can still use that software, but you'll just have to connect somewhere
else for service if you do so. LL doesn't have to care only about direct
effects on their own servers, and LL has the right to no longer trust
viewers that identify themselves as "Emerald".
Sure, you can get around it if y
Just switch to Phoenix its the projects new structure and project name.
On another not they have every right to police who and what is
connecting to their service. They also have every right to ban you for
whatever reason they want without giving any reason at all. They are
not policing your compu
It is there grid that you are connecting too with the viewer of your choice,
so yea it is there business. As much as we all want to think that sl is
open source, there is only parts of it that are. Im sure no one is going to
stop you from using and open grid with emerald.
I love deadlines. I lik
I'm not happy to say it, but I can't help myself...
I told you so
When LL announced the TPV list, it was already clear to me
that they want to control what viewer can connect and that
this was the beginning of whitelist. Soon every viewer that
is not derived from their holy "2.0" will be blocked.
Dear Linden Lab,
It's absolutely none of your business what software I choose to run on
my PC.
Blocking emerald is a step of pure arrogance - and ignorance - on Linden
Lab's behalf - it's not having an adverse effect on your servers, in
fact THE ONLY WAY you can tell i'm runing Emerald is by
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